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  • Hey all, just changed over the backend after 15 years I figured time to give it a bit of an update, its probably gonna be a bit weird for most of you and i am sure there is a few bugs to work out but it should kinda work the same as before... hopefully :)

DRAGON - ITS THE REAL DEAL !!!!

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Very thankful for your efforts here Mark, I'm sure it took a bit of "arm twisting" to get you to play with the new Dragon ;) Much appreciated is your approach, trying to bust the image, not candy coat it and just make it look pretty. The images are indeed impressive and accurately demonstrate what we are dealing with here, to those that get it.

António Fagundes said:
So when viewing images from the new sensor, and I see a clipped highlight in a beautiful sunset, I react.
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Just like in any engineering tolerance test, material is put to its limit, tested to the point of failure, so other engineers know what its capable of handling and gain knowledge. We gain tremendous value from this information, learn its limits, not helpful is the individual that misses the whole point of the test and just says: "But it broke!??"

It's very courageous for any manufacturer to send it's newest cutting edge, yet unreleased, tech to be independently evaluated in this fashion. Usually its made to look great, and showcased, not tested to the point of breaking. I for one gain much more useful information from a torture test rather a beauty contest. Unfortunately that also sets up the same company for easy attack. But from all the shooters out there that get it and gain value from this, this information is worth it and we greatly appreciate you guys putting yourselves out there, you ROCK!
 
Christopher Probst said:
I KNOW what I can do with the MX at the current DR and sensitivity... Any increase beyond that is pure gravy.
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Totally agree. I've achieved great results with the MX sensor in the Epic, even in the toughest of DR situations under jungle canopy. Any improvement in DR and color are definitely gravy. At the same time I don't want RED to lose the fire and drive to push for more and better!
 
Michael Ou said:
Just like in any engineering tolerance test, material is put to its limit, tested to the point of failure, so other engineers know what its capable of handling and gain knowledge. We gain tremendous value from this information, learn its limits, not helpful is the individual that misses the whole point of the test and just says: "But it broke!??"
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"You never know what is enough unless you know what is more than enough."
-- William Blake

You have to learn where the ledge is before you can then remember to stop a step short of it.
 
David Mullen ASC said:
"You never know what is enough unless you know what is more than enough."
-- William Blake

You have to learn where the ledge is before you can then remember to stop a step short of it.
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I can't help but laugh; it seems like the internal monologue during this testing was "Surely THIS will break it . . . Nope. Ok, but come on, now THIS will bre- . . . Nope. Hmmm. Alright, well there's no way that this- . . . Nope, that's all good too."

The shot of the surfer in 17:1 compression? Come on. All those little bits of wave moving like that? Break my brain seeing it look that good at SEVENTEEN TO ONE.
 
David Mullen ASC said:
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You have to learn where the ledge is before you can then remember to stop a step short of it.
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Or have a good horse to ride. I say that because this reminds me of something told to me by a friend who was Elk hunting in Colorado. He became disoriented and didn't make it back to camp before dark and was more or less trusting his horse to assist in finding his way back. At one point the horse, which he still was directing, came to a complete halt and refused to go one step further. My friend kicked and smooched and tried to get the horse to move but she (it was a mare, IIRC) refused to go forward. Finally my friend dismounted and after striking his cigarette lighter, soon realized that he was on the edge of a cliff that, upon observing later during the daylight was so sheer and high that he would have surely been all broken up or dead, if the mare hadn't balked.

I guess the link between my story and the Dragon is that if the sensor clips (horse balks) just enable HDRx and you can "see" the cliff (details in the highlights) and avoid going over the cliff. '-)
 
David Mullen ASC said:
"You never know what is enough unless you know what is more than enough."
-- William Blake

You have to learn where the ledge is before you can then remember to stop a step short of it.
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Great quote David! I've not seen that before!
I think having an understanding of the tools you are working with, where their limits are, and where their strengths are too is always a good thing.

Then you can really go close to the edge without going over it and emphasize the strengths too!

Freya
 
Great job on this, the images look so amazing I cant stop watching it its so good!
Its good to see more people use RED for drifting.

Any plan to post this in 4k on youtube?
 
Thank you Mark for your valuable time. Thanks Jim and Jarred for the respect of allowing this to the RED community.
 
Saw Mark's stills - yum! Saw the video - YUM-O!! Thank you Mark. Very fine work, a great glimpse of a new era of "film" making that is about to begin. And of course, thank you Red.
 
Timur Civan said:
Mark. Does it feel like a 16 bit file? Grading f65 you feel the subtlety of the bit depth. Does dragon grade similarly?
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Its a graders dream file... there is so much hiding away in the original file.
I purposely didn't use any windows, masks or anything, those images are pretty much straight out of the camera with avery basic grade to lift or drop certain areas of conversation.
In a proper grading tool, you will see more...
 
Hey Mark

Great images, it looked like a lot of fun.

On the fxguide pod cast you mentioned shooting with Still's glass to avoid aberration with PL glass.

What PL Glass did you test that was giving you concern with aberration?
I'm sure a lot of people are dying to hear about Dragon + PL Glass.
 
roryhinds said:
Hey Mark

Great images, it looked like a lot of fun.

On the fxguide pod cast you mentioned shooting with Still's glass to avoid aberration with PL glass.

What PL Glass did you test that was giving you concern with aberration?
I'm sure a lot of people are dying to hear about Dragon + PL Glass.
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Dragon and PL glass will be fine. But for the some of wider lens, you'll maybe only be able to use 5 to 5-5k to get the best from some lenses.
And remembering this wasn't a lens test, it was a sensor test... so I did not worry about what lens worked and didn't work.

The Ultra primes and the Ziess MKiii are very close to the same image circles, I put the 18mm Ziess on first, and it would not cover 6k at all. 5k max...
25mm was close to the edge but starting to smear... 35 and upwards were all fine.
The reason why I decided to go canon glass, was because they are as sharp as Master primes and canon covers a full sensor. I just wanted a clean image area edge to edge to work with and I didn't want any edge smear from lenses that would discredit my views on of the sensor.

Im sure someone will do broad lens coverage test somewhere down the line :)
 
Thank You, Jim. Thank You, Jarred. Thank you, Graeme. Thank You, Mark.

WOW … This changes everything!

Now it’s time to go rob the piggy-bank.




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CY 21/2.8
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