Announcing Weapon 6K Carbon Fiber

[vincent kardasik]

I'm thinking about this since the announcement and I can't find the answer anywhere... There was a lot of new posts these past 48 hours to say the least.
This is crucial regarding my future upgrade path and I'd really appreciate if Jarred or Brent could chime in and answer my questions below.
I understand there's a better chip in the Weapon CF so it will allow more options but if I we compare 6K footage from a Weapon Magnesium and from a Weapon CF, will the footage from the latest look better thanks to the extra processing or will it look the same?

 

[Jarred Land]

I'm thinking about this since the announcement and I can't find the answer anywhere... There was a lot of new posts these past 48 hours to say the least.
This is crucial regarding my future upgrade path and I'd really appreciate if Jarred or Brent could chime in and answer my questions below.
I understand there's a better chip in the Weapon CF so it will allow more options but if I we compare 6K footage from a Weapon Magnesium and from a Weapon CF, will the footage from the latest look better thanks to the extra processing or will it look the same?

Good question Vincent. If you use the same REDCODE settings, they will look the same. Kind of like Epic and Scarlet at the same settings, look the same.

 

[vincent kardasik]

Good question Vincent. If you use the same REDCODE settings, they will look the same. Kind of like Epic and Scarlet at the same settings, look the same.

Many thanks for your reply Jarred.
Thanks to the extra processing will Weapon CF allow better REDCODE setting than Weapon Magnesium at the same framerate?

 

[Jarred Land]

Many thanks for your reply Jarred.
Thanks to the extra processing will Weapon CF allow better REDCODE setting than Weapon Magnesium at the same framerate?

That is what we still are testing still . but that is the idea yes.

 

[vincent kardasik]

That is what we still are testing still . but that is the idea yes.

Thanks a lot for your reply Jarred.

 

[Kemalettin Sert]

Jarred this means im going to upgrade weapon with 5000$ credit plus 15.500$ worth dragon tradein against 34.500 $ Weapon.
4500$ worth Modules in Weapon pack
5000$ accessories credit
15.500$ Dragon
Still same price with Dragon upgrades.gonna cost 9.5K total.you guys are awesome at best

 

[Stefan Hegenberg]

I can´t see a good option to handle this body straight out of my hands. I love to go very small like on the picture, but it seems that i now have to use a shoulder rig?

 

[Adam Howden]

Will it be possible to record pro res at higher than 2k? Or is that the resolution limit?

 

[Shane Peel]

This "Forged" Carbon is a more complex and expensive system of producing a composite right? The same tech that is in golf clubs and Lambo's? Any info on the structural strength V the traditional weave CF in Epoxy that was being used before. Looks like a 50's pearl steering wheel kinda trick … love it.

 

[Sven Seynaeve]

just don't understand why no UHD prores to compete with the competitors all the way.

 

[Gunleik Groven]

just don't understand why no UHD prores to compete with the competitors all the way.

I'd guess the answer is simple: Bandwith.

 

[Björn Benckert]

I am also curious about Ti PL mount credit

My guess there will be quite a few Magnesium and ti PL mounts for sale here when these camera start to ship. I'm personally very happy with our Ti mount but I can only buy the CF weapon as a bundle with Mag PL mount so most likely I will sell it as soon as it ships.

 

[Christopher*Seguine]

From previous posts it sounded like the reason for dropping the 1.8 redmags was their sata 3g bandwidth limiting redcode to max of 180MBs, which kinda implied the path to the redmag module on epic/dragon was limited to 3g.

On weapon you probably moved to 6G sata the minimags support, and both MG and CF bodes say "50% higher data rates to card" - We have no use for prores, if all I care about is less compression at 6k FF 80fps, is there a difference between MG and CF bodies?

That is what we still are testing still . but that is the idea yes.

 

[Matthew J]

I'd guess the answer is simple: Bandwith.

I would understand that if you were recording 6k RAW and 4k ProRes at 60fps simultaneously, but there's not enough horsepower in Weapon to record 6k and 4k 23.98 at the same time? Heck, what about just a single ProRes 4k 23.98 stream by itself. I can't believe that a $3k BM4k camera has more power to do that then a Weapon. So I really want to know RED's logic in not doing 4k ProRes. Honestly, this is a HUGE let down for me and makes me start double guessing if I can steal back some of the business in my market that's gone to the Alexa. With 4k ProRes I think I can, at 2k, I think many people may just stick with the Alexa.

 

[FrankMcPartland]

Hello: May I please request an Magnesium EF Mount Option for CF Weapon that is "ready for 8K" --- I have no PL glass...

I do realize I can use my existing Red EF Mount, but it does not have the larger port size for 8K...

Thank you





Did you order the 8k upgrade as well? the 8k PL mount has a bigger port hole in it

Originally Posted by Peter Lyons Collister, ASC
I am also curious about Ti PL mount credit



My guess there will be quite a few Magnesium and ti PL mounts for sale here when these camera start to ship. I'm personally very happy with our Ti mount but I can only buy the CF weapon as a bundle with Mag PL mount so most likely I will sell it as soon as it ships.

 

[Phil Holland]

just don't understand why no UHD prores to compete with the competitors all the way.

Don't panic just yet.

I'm 100% with Jim in regards to his feelings about ProRes not being a totally proper capture codec. REDCODE RAW is more capable really.

However, the industry "happened" and ProRes has become a capture and delivery standard through various workflows. Run and gun, ENG, small doc, smaller budget anything, straight to broadcast, etc....

Based on the feedback I've been getting on the floor and in my phone I hope RED enables:

- REDCODE RAW only recording.
- REDCODE RAW + Simultaneous ProRes scaled recording for 2K and if possible 4K.
- ProRes Only recording at maximum resolution with the option for scaled output. Meaning in camera 6K to 4K downsampling for example We know it can do that already.

For years I've wanted quality compressed raw and we've got that. But some projects seem to demand exclusive ProRes output. Especially for productions that need a quick to display embedded 3D LUT ProRes deliverable.

This is one thing I think RED will listen to and enable. But I'm still with Jim on the sentiment regarding ProRes as the "master format". I've never dug that, but TV needed to get fast and cheap.

 

[David Litchfield]

Don't panic just yet.

I'm 100% with Jim in regards to his feelings about ProRes not being a totally proper capture codec. REDCODE RAW is more capable really.

However, the industry "happened" and ProRes has become a capture and delivery standard through various workflows. Run and gun, ENG, small doc, smaller budget anything, straight to broadcast, etc....

Based on the feedback I've been getting on the floor and in my phone I hope RED enables:

- REDCODE RAW only recording.
- REDCODE RAW + Simultaneous ProRes scaled recording for 2K and if possible 4K.
- ProRes Only recording at maximum resolution with the option for scaled output. Meaning in camera 6K to 4K downsampling for example We know it can do that already.

For years I've wanted quality compressed raw and we've got that. But some projects seem to demand exclusive ProRes output. Especially for productions that need a quick to display embedded 3D LUT ProRes deliverable.

This is one thing I think RED will listen to and enable. But I'm still with Jim on the sentiment regarding ProRes as the "master format". I've never dug that, but TV needed to get fast and cheap.

Obviously Prores is not as good as Red Raw. But if the camera is capable of Prores at 4K then Red should let users decide and not dictate it to us.

It seems as though a lot of owner operators feel like they are being priced out of upgrading. Not surprising considering they’ve already paid for the sensor and are now faced with another $20k or so to get 2k prores and the most basic of connectors in the correct position. That’s it, right?

 

[Julien Deka]

I'm confused about something. On the store, the WEAPON WOVEN CF UPGRADE PACKAGE DEPOSIT and the WEAPON WOVEN CF BRAIN DEPOSIT are listing the same final price of $49,500.

The package has obviously more accessories. What am I missing?

Also, I would love to see a WEAPON MAGNESIUM UPGRADE BRAIN ONLY, just to see how it would affect pricing. What I like about the modular approach is that you can buy up your accessories over time but yet still shoot some stuff until you can afford them.

Or like to choose to use the $5000 credits toward mini-SSD Mags, rather than, let's say, top handle and sidekick... Am I making sense?

 

[Phil Holland]

Don't panic just yet.

I'm 100% with Jim in regards to his feelings about ProRes not being a totally proper capture codec. REDCODE RAW is more capable really.

However, the industry "happened" and ProRes has become a capture and delivery standard through various workflows. Run and gun, ENG, small doc, smaller budget anything, straight to broadcast, etc....

Based on the feedback I've been getting on the floor and in my phone I hope RED enables:

- REDCODE RAW only recording.
- REDCODE RAW + Simultaneous ProRes scaled recording for 2K and if possible 4K.
- ProRes Only recording at maximum resolution with the option for scaled output. Meaning in camera 6K to 4K downsampling for example We know it can do that already.

For years I've wanted quality compressed raw and we've got that. But some projects seem to demand exclusive ProRes output. Especially for productions that need a quick to display embedded 3D LUT ProRes deliverable.

This is one thing I think RED will listen to and enable. But I'm still with Jim on the sentiment regarding ProRes as the "master format". I've never dug that, but TV needed to get fast and cheap.

Obviously Prores is not as good as Red Raw. But if the camera is capable of Prores at 4K then Red should let users decide and not dictate it to us.

It seems as though a lot of owner operators feel like they are being priced out of upgrading. Not surprising considering they’ve already paid for the sensor and are now faced with another $20k or so to get 2k prores and the most basic of connectors in the correct position. That’s it, right?

Just to expand on this after day 2 at NAB 2015, it's still the thing I hear asked about the most and desired.

Jim is right and I believe strongly in REDCODE RAW. The problem is the industry itself and specific types of shooters and deliveries. Shortly and even know we are seeing a shoot to upload mentality with certain things.

From a business perspective having ProRes 4K possible in camera and even 4K+ ProRes would basically be waving a big "finger" to the competing cameras that allow this workflow. We're still in the early days and I hope this is examined closely as a feature request.

The funny thing is that I have no interest in it for most of my work. I shoot REDCODE RAW and love it.

And to the second point, it's not just about ProRes David. 3D LUTs, processing power, data speed increases, smaller form factor, technology advancements, etc. are more of the story. There's a lot going on actually in this brain redesign.

And if you all recall how things played out over the years with each new camera firmware update, I have a feeling we are just getting started with Weapon.

 

[Jarred Land]

Based on the feedback I've been getting on the floor and in my phone I hope RED enables:

- REDCODE RAW only recording.
- REDCODE RAW + Simultaneous ProRes scaled recording for 2K and if possible 4K.
- ProRes Only recording at maximum resolution with the option for scaled output. Meaning in camera 6K to 4K downsampling for example We know it can do that already.

OK Phil... 2K ProRes Only recording granted.. It is dumb.. and we will shake a stick at you if we catch you doing it.. but we realize sometimes our customers don't get to make those kind of decisions... producers do. As long as you promise to shake a stick at them when they ask to throw away the good master, then we will give you that one.

4K ProRes is not an impossibility. Don't take that as a "we can do it", but it is not "impossible" on the Carbon Weapon.

Assume you are getting 2K ProRes.... make your purchase decisions based off of that.

I will get back to you on that well before it is time for you to pay to take delivery. We have some pretty damn good engineers.