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Adobe Abandons Creative Suite, Announces Full Switch to Creative Cloud

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Lightworks seems to have a real integrity about it - as they say, made by editors for editors. Incredibly cheap annual subscription for the pro version. I would love to hear how it handles red footage. I think that interest will really grow fast once the Mac version is released. I will certainly let you know how it goes.
 
So, with a Telstra 10c per Mb ($100 per 1Gb) Internet plan, how much this is going to cost me to install, upgrade and operate?
 
The only good thing I can take out from this is that for once we Aussies are paying the same price as everyone else for Adobe software .

So no more vastly inflated upfront Aussie Adobe Software costs...........just continues annual Software rental costs for the rest of your working life. ; ) !
 
So, I may have a 6-month project in Antarctica coming up. I'm assuming my license would be timely updated by a private jet flown by Adobe. Can someone from Adobe confirm this? :)
 
Creative Suite is no longer an on-lining option for me if they refuse to support Dragon in 5.5 or 6.

Guess who will, and for free no less? Blackmagic. For $600 I would strongly urge my peers to consider buying the full Resolve dongle on the 2nd hand market and own the keys to Dragon rather than renting them for a year.

Nobody is going to sub-rent Premiere CC from me, so my ROI lies in a tool that gets me ProRes dailies on the day for the offline edit. Thankfully 5.5 will handle those and export a picture locked XML for Davinci to conform.

Adobe adjusts to the market, and the market adjusts back. It's that simple.
 
Pawel Achtel said:
So, I may have a 6-month project in Antarctica coming up. I'm assuming my license would be timely updated by a private jet flown by Adobe. Can someone from Adobe confirm this? :)
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Please read the adobe FAQ and other posts by adobe people. Al answered this question 2 pages back ;)

also per the post about legalities on us storing your footage. Again please read the FAQ. The app behaves the same as before except for the great new features. Only the license is a subscription.

cheers
Dave
 
QUOTE: -------------------- "Adobe adjusts to the market, and the market adjusts back. It's that simple." ------------- Adobe with-holds re-activation keys for all CS clean re-installs or buries the less than 7 year-old ones deep in their website to defeat any product-fit-for purpose lit. ---- Problem solvered for Adobe. ----------------- If Blackmagic extends DaVinci Resolve with a companion edit system, cineform-friendly to keep my SI2K footage happy, I should be well pleased. ------------- Adobe aquires GoPro/Cineform and then applies the same subscription model ------ Problem solvered. ---------- Another vex. - Computers seem to have their own EOL of about 4 years built-in and then you are back on the leapfrog cycle of compulsory OS upgrades. The unholy triumvirate really gets my goat at times. ------------- I wonder if Adobe's adventure will prompt any of the in-house developments of Linux-based workflows into commercial releases and gain some traction?
 
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In the UK people were finally coming round to the idea of ditching FCP and FCPX for Adobe CS products, but the absolutely outrageous pricing structure here will end that completely.

Charging the dollar price in UK pounds is a complete and utter ripoff and to suggest that you're offering value to UK customers is insulting. Rethink this, adjust the UK pricing and you'll have a lot of custom. Otherwise expect a monumental shift to the dark side.
 
I gotta say I don't buy the regular upgrades explanation. There's no reason that couldn't be done while have perpetual licenses. As long as there's no boxed version of the product on DVD, there's absolutely no reason why Adobe couldn't release an update any time they want with minimal cost to Adobe (no manufacturing of packaging or discs), whether its via a CC subscription version or regular perpetual license version. Adobe promised special updates ever since CC came out a year ago and there's been no special updates that the non-CC version didn't get. Adobe is just making up excuses for this new model.

Apple has no issues releasing major updates to FCPX on a regular basis without having a subscription model. Blackmagic provides completely free major upgrades to DaVinci Resolve.

The real reason for this is to bring more regular revenue in from customers. Beyond that, there's really no other reason for it.
 
David McGavran said:
Please read the adobe FAQ and other posts by adobe people. Al answered this question 2 pages back ;)
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Thanks David. Yes, he has: the software will stop working!

However, you missed my earlier question in post #203. What is the size of CS initial and ongoing download?
 
Phil Holland said:
I believe you'll still be able to use these programs "off line", it's more of branding and focus on "Creative Cloud".

It would be suicide if you can't use applications in the field.
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You can still use the software offline.
I've been using CC for a year and it feels the same to me. The programs are downloaded to the HD and the CC only checks occasionally.

The monthly rental is less than half of my average gym membership. Less than coffee every day.

Figure since I use it for my livelihood and software is basically archeic these days after about 24 months its a fine way to go.

I can certainly understand their points. The rental model will discourage piracy, provide a consistent income stream and allow for updates and new developments to be streamed to the customers as they happen.

Seems like with music and movies the idea of "owning" software is quickly disappearing. Copyright law doesn't really work to well with things that are literally "copied" just to get them on the computer in the first place. ;)
 
Phil Holland said:
Thanks Al and Dave. As long as Adobe CC allows for the standard two "instances" installed, like a workstation and say laptop, I'm a happy content creator.
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In my experience the two instance thing is pretty flawless in the year I've been using. Ive had one or two instances where I had to entire my user name, but thats really all I had to do to make the software happy.
 
Paul Schneider said:
I can certainly understand their points. The rental model will discourage piracy, provide a consistent income stream and allow for updates and new developments to be streamed to the customers as they happen.
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Sorry but this sentence make me laugh.

I'm afraid for ADOBE, XFORCE or another group is already on it's way to spread new scene all over the net.
 
My last post in this thread. I think that if Adobe came clear about their intentions, it would be different. If Adobe came up and said something like " we are not profiting with the current model to sustain our workforce and creatives, we need additional revenue to keep the program going" that would be one thing. However, Adobe is a profitable company. Has it spent the ressources in the right place? As it got the correct infrastructure, or has it grown beyond sustainability, requiring the costumer to pay for that mismanagement ? I do not know. What I do know, as a costumer, is that this deal doesn't seem to add any advantage for me vs the previous model. Its actually "removing features" (in this case, previous things that were granted), not unlike what Apple did in 10.0.1. Just look at the damage control they had to do to get to 10.0.8. The backlash was trully deserved. In my opinion, the same is deserved here. Its a good chance if the competition- Avid, Autodesk, even Apple- take this chance and do a "switch" promotion come June or July. I'm sure many will take it. Would love to see a Smoke promotional switch package for 1200 or 1500. Would get on the bandwagon.
 
Lets call a spade a spade here................

This whole exercise has been about Adobe increasing cash flow ..........exponentially...this is not about improving the customer experience of using Adobe. This is about improving your bottom line it is not about improving our bottom line. Don't trying to sell this as a benefit to clients because its marketing hype pure a simple. Note the word "client" .....we are not customers now, we are now "clients" who can cancel thier subscription at our whim.

At no stage has there been announcements about improving existing functionality for the client. What about the "hang' in Premier on the timeline, what about the lack of functionality between SG & Premier, what about the worlds longest wait getting files into SG from premier, what about the color corrector from hell that resides within Premier, what about the photoshop bug that saves PNG files as Jpegs or reads same, what about the worlds most primitive titling tool, what about no soft edge masking, what about a stunted interface between R3D files & Premier, what about your appalling call centre customer handling skills what about treating these MAJOR bugs before renting it out to clients.

No one disputes you're a business & your company is entitled to treat customers or should I say "clients", as you see fit whilst profiting from the experience . But I find it laughable how you denigrated Apple for treating customers so appallingly a few years ago & now are practising those very same techniques on your client base.

I want to know when the next CLIENT UPDATE IS DUE which will fix the above problems & not the update that fixes your problems .

I'm waiting & feeling whimsical....
 
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The software licensing model that we know drives innovation. Companies are driven to release new versions when those new versions are what creates revenue.

Companies that serve a subscription model are in the business of maintenance, not innovation. When was the last time your electric company improved it's service? When was the last time they improved the quality of your experience? Is the electricity you receive today any different than the electricity your great grandparents bought? No it is not. It may be generated or delivered in a different way. In some cases the delivery of that electricity may be more consistent, or less likely to be interrupted, but to the consumer there has been little or no innovation in electricity in 150 years but the cost has increased continually over those years.

Innovation is the life's blood of technology companies. Adobe is a technology company. This move likely marks the beginning of the death of innovation at Adobe. I was never good at algebra, but in this case, I can solve for X. I hope I messed this up.
 
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Steve Sherrick said:
If they are 100% committed to a cloud/subscription basis then they key is to interface with users to meet the challenges of this approach. As evidenced by Dave and Al checking in here, this is a dialogue that will need to take place over the next few months.
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If company commitment and user base priorities diametrically oppose one another, and if the company commitment is pre-decided and fixed, any dialogue is merely an attempt of conditioning customers to comply to forced changes.
 
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