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5K Epic

jaadgy akanni said:
Instead of a bigger sensor, any talk about better, cleaner, brighter colors and more stops?
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yes, i'm holding my breath on build 16. I don't need 5k. just would like less grain / more DR/ and mabye 4k at faster speed. hope we don't have to fork in 10 - 20 K for that. -- oh and will my birger work on Epic :)
 
Tribe!

Yes ... "A Historical moment of EPIC proportions" Did your jaw drop JJ when you read that phrase?

I guess its in the air and was just a matter of tuning in but if I can do it so can those who are tailing you.

Are we passagers in a jumbo-jet being tossed about because the madman at the helm has rerouted mid flight to engage in a dog fight that inadvertantly involves us all? ... In that case the only one who could manage to manuever at that speed and altitude would have to be the Red-Barron Himself!

I still trust in the defiant vitality of Reds Fearless Leader!!!

ONWARD...

It is easy to miss the connection, there is no Red #1 & #2 there is only - The One - OMNI: which consumes and reinvents itself .

What an audacious opportunity has presented itself, just Imagine - The ability to trade in our old bodies for a new one ...

I like it...Count me in.

DogDay
 
I think this is a very exciting development for Red. I wouldn't mind trading in my "old" Red one in 12-18 months for a brand new improved camera with a better sensor and better ergonomics. Of course it will all depend on how much more we will have to fork over. Has any official pricing info been announced yet? I've read 40 000 and 30 000 but nothing directly from Red. Hopefully it will be nothing as large as these two figures but something closer to 25 000.
 
It is exciting. Better DR and FPS are welcome. I would do 30k in 12 months. Really I should reserve all judgement until 16 specs are released and the price is announced. 25k would be great!
 
Eric Edwards said:
Ya, im a little disappointed with this. I was hoping that the Red One would be the camera we'd be using for years to come (with upgrades, etc). This isn't exactly the rendering obsolescence obsolete that I was thinking of... Whats going to happen next year at NAB, the Extreme 6K Red Camera?

I think this new camera would have been great if it was maybe 2-3 years from now...but I haven't even received my Red One yet, and now its already obsolete in terms of there being a better camera by Red...
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Same feeling here...
I mean, all this sounds great, but isn't it a bit early for a new camera ?
Most of us haven't even received our Red One yet...

My guess is :
- with Red One, they found a few issues that couldn't easily be fixed just with an update, so making a new camera was easier than upgrading every component
- they didn't make enough profit with the Red One but didn't want to change its price, so making a new more expensive camera made sense.

I like all the new specs of the 'Epic' (weight, wifi,...),
but what the heck are we supposed to do with 5K ?
4K already looks awesome on the big screen (saw it at the IBC), what will 5K add ?
This will only need more processing time and increased storage space/speed...

What about DR ? Noise ? Rolling shutter ? Heat ? Fan noise ?
Regarding price, I'd say 25K would be fair.
The difference between ther Red One and the Epic doesn't seem to be that big... Is it ?

Well, wait and see:)
 
I'm hearing 40K at NAB for the Epic and under 3K for the Scarlet.

Honestly I want to be excited about the Epic, but at the moment it just worries me. I feel like like all I went through to get the camera, get the right accessories, learn the work flow, may be for not.

I really want the Red Team to come out after NAB and say "Don't worry all you current Red One owners we got your back."

What I don't want them to say is "Well the Red One is kinda outdated now, you should really get the Epic, but don't worry you can trade in your Red One, spend another 20K and get this great new camera, which may or may not be replaced in a year."

Now I don't want to sound too bitter, if they needed to do a total redesign to the Red One to make it better so be it, but I can't help being worried.
 
Slinnn said:
Same feeling here...
I mean, all this sounds great, but isn't it a bit early for a new camera ?
Most of us haven't even received our Red One yet...
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With RED you have to look at the projected dates and add a couple of zeros. for those of us shooting everyday; the RED ONE is still the only option at the moment and I think for a long time to come.

I am thinking that red will be looking at the feedback from these forums and the specs on the cameras will change.

Other company's tend to wait till they have a final product before announcing it to the world. RED is looking to bring us all into the loop on development if we realize it or not. Personally i think in the long run it is a good strategy.

We have all seen posts where Jim has changed his mind due to popular demand.

One thing I am loving is the ambition and forward thinking shown by RED, I was hoping for a 4k projector but we shall see what the future holds.
 
For me EPIC is the greatest surprise Red would have come up with.
Redray also seems to have some nice future getting along with the red cams and 4k workflow. More details would be appreciated.

Now a bit explanation about future plans of the red one , while nab is going on or afterwards will be needed to assure us customers to do or have the right investments.

While the Red one is already very promissing, they must have been stuck on internal design , so it's maby not a bad idea to build a new one from scratch using the already great experience they have right now.

They amaze people even more and as far as I can see some people will definately scratch their hair right now...

Price shouldn't be to much of from the already known red pricelists, but maby a little differentiation from a regular dv scene would'nt be to bad at all.

Some people would get to scared this biz is going to be doomed like the music biz has become due to give away everything for almost nothing....
 
Up to 30k I think I wouldn't mine swapping.
I have to admit that for a moment I could feel my penis schrinking. My camera is only one week old and already something bigger is coming.
But when you sit back and think of it, it's not a bad thing at all.
I was just expecting something with 4k Displays or projectors, let's wait and see.
Emmanuel
 
I don't think One is going anywhere. It looks more like Jim has it covered :D
 
THe Epic announcement doesn't necesary dictates you to go for this one. At least you will have the choice from now one. Most people have had good results from their first Red cam so you could go along with it.

The workflow is getting better and better and some companies have come with sollutions lately.
Me myself I will be using a combination of both in the future.


Any news on speedgrade use in combination with red????

No one has been reporting some news by now about the new RED Primes, as far as i could see from the pics they seem to be very nice built.
 
I worry that 5k is a bit if a diversion to keep the red one owners from freaking out completely. "hey here is epic. it's the 4k cam you really want at twice the price."
 
I really much appreciate Red's open devellopment on this one. I recently bought my ex1 knowing i read somewhere on the internet this cam was also coming out with interchangable lensmount, but my sony dealer didn't know of anything he said.

At least we have options to choose as red could have waited till IBC to inform us on this subject. We're warned that this will happen anyway and we can take our own decisions what to do with it.
 
if the resolving power of bayer pattern sensors goes on to diminishing returns after 2.9k what use is 5k, unless the sensor isn't bayer. I don't care about 5k. 4k is good enough. in fact the systems we have can barely manage it and certainly can't process it all that fast. what I want is no skew , no rolling shutter artifacts, 15 stops of dynamic range min and the same great work flow. course paying over 2.5 times the price I never thought we'd have to do since we were all led to believe RED ONE was 100% upgradable. we knew we'd have to pay more for a new sensor but who thought they'd have to pay more than the price of the original camera to get a new sensor
 
darkkelt said:
if the resolving power of bayer pattern sensors goes on to diminishing returns after 2.9k what use is 5k, unless the sensor isn't bayer. I don't care about 5k. 4k is good enough. in fact the systems we have can barely manage it and certainly can't process it all that fast. what I want is no skew , no rolling shutter artifacts, 15 stops of dynamic range min and the same great work flow. course paying over 2.5 times the price I never thought we'd have to do since we were all led to believe RED ONE was 100% upgradable. we knew we'd have to pay more for a new sensor but who thought they'd have to pay more than the price of the original camera to get a new sensor
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I think it's a bit early to draw conclusions, don't you think?:calm:

Emmmanuel
 
Scott Gentry on ProVideo Coalition mentions a price of around $30 000. That would mean adding $12 500 for current owners. I guess we'll know more once Jim logs on to the board.
 
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