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5K Epic

Anders Holck said:
I'd still prefer the controller on the operator side at the front. Or maybe both places like on a DSLR where you have the main dials on both the main body and the portrait grip.
It's awkward to have to reach onto the back when you are operating and want to change WB, or shutterspeed. (I have gotten a few crazy looks from people when I do it with the Red one. Left arm behind my head, dialing blindly)
Please make it a mission to make it more ergonomic for the operator to control. :-)
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Agreed Anders. I'd like to see red make the controls removable and mountable in various places on the camera and even be used off camera and control via the inbuilt WiFi. This would be very sweet.

Paul
 
I've not checked the site for all of just under a week, and I come back to see not one but two new Scarlets!

5K!?! What's happening!!! :blink:

Whilst my brains settle to a suitable level to comprehend sense again, can someone please tell me whether the Epic is aimed at being the successor to the RED One? Is there an approximate cost for the Epic?

Edit: After re-reading the pdf a few times over the light begins to shine again! Ah two new cameras. The Epic looks, ermm, very interesting to say the least...now changing RED#: Waiting to RED#: Epic
 
Kinosaur said:
No one seems to be speculating on whether Epic has rolling shutter or global, presumably everyone is assuming it has a rolling shutter. IMHO this is a huge issue for many potential buyers/users of this camera. global shutter would certainly justify the suggested price hike.
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There is some info here
 
My interest in Epic will all depend on what the R1 sensor upgrade entails. Jim has already said the rolling shutter will be improved. Presumably, since the upgrade will be to the Mysterium X, it will also get the same boost in DR, a relative boost in max framerate (3K @120fps and 5K @100fps = 4K @110fps?), and maybe the same boost in max bitrate to 100MB/sec. So the only differences, according to the current Epic spec, are that it's got higher resolution, wi-fi control, and it's about 40% lighter.

I don't personally think another 1K of resolution is particularly worth $22.5K (although I suppose it will shut up the folks who whine about the debayering "loss", since then it WOULD be true 4K), especially when 4K is already overkill that few pipelines can handle yet.

Yeah, overall I'm going to wait to see what Epic brings to the plate, but at this point it still seems like R1 is the best value for the money.
 
Not that Im a pixel counter, but I had hoped that the Red One would provide a way to get the full 4.5K information from the chip. I'm guessing with epic at 5K, Red would be unlikely to enable 4.5K out of the Red One as to keep their products targeted differently. 0.5K difference would be even less of a reason to upgrade.

4K is more than I'll ever need, but just sayin it seems less likely now that we'll see a 4.5K firmware update for the Red One which I thought was at least theoretically possible. Still, I'm more than happy to be suprised wrong on this one
 
After witnessing everything at NAB first hand and having a long flight to re-visit everything in my mind.... Let's just say, I am cautiously optimistic to be #3203 on the RedOne list. This still seems to be the camera that closest fits my criteria. Unless I hear more than I already have about the EPIC- count me out. Unless the Scarlett comes out with either the most kick ass fixed lens in existence or inter-changeable lenses- count me out. Time will tell.

PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE... just don't slow the progress of the RedOne's potential. Only thing lacking for me right now with RedOne is 120+ fps at 4K, Compact Flash Media to get more affordable and Apple to step up and seamlessly integrate all that RED has to offer in the 4K spectrum. Only one of these issues is really needed of the RED team. Looking forward to Build 16+ and Jim to get some really good dirt on Steve Jobs for blackmail purposes.
 
I'd be extremely surprised if Epic cost $40k... $30k maybe... $25k probably.

The prices that people are hearing, I think are wrong. Even if somebody did hear "$40k" from a Red representative at NAB, they may have misheard the real value amongst the loud masses of people...

Fan: "How much for that Epic camera?"
Rep: "It'll sell for <crowd noise> thousand"
Fan: "Four thousand?... oh, of course you must mean 40 thousand! But, that's so high!"

The RedOne was targeted at serious video enthusiasts/professionals on moderate budgets, and Epic would stray very far from that market if priced at $40k. And as most have noted, Epic won't have so much of a performance advantage to justify such a large price increase. History suggests Red will price Epic to meet or exceed customer expectations... so I'd expect Epic to be priced much less than the $40k rumor that's floating around.
 
please epic be less than 40k.. many people who were attracted to red's price will lose reach of the epic i think. looks like the base production pack wont be compatible too..
 
3 camera's .. 3 price points ... take your pick !!
for many the 22K difference will be worth every $ beween epic & red one ...
IMO if one thinks any of the 3 camera's are "over priced" please take a look at other manufacturer's prices ...
 
cinemano said:
please epic be less than 40k.. many people who were attracted to red's price will lose reach of the epic i think. looks like the base production pack wont be compatible too..
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That's the whole point. Epic is aimed at a different market.

I was one of the one's who was nervous that the Red One would take a back seat to the Epic when the Epic was announced. And I tried to be balanced with my posts, but I apologize if I contributed to the negativity on the forums after the announcement (there was, of course, plenty of positive reactions on the forums too). The Red Team really deserves a congratulations for the Epic along with everything else, amazing achievements all.

In any case, it's been said over and over that Red is still committed to developing and improving the Red One.

The Epic has better image resolution, but do you need it? Chances are if you absolutely do you're working in a bigger budget arena and can afford the Epic.

The Epic is lighter. But is the Red so heavy that it weighs you down to the ground?

The Epic has a firewire out (okay, I wish the Red One had this), full connectors, higher data rate, but come on, it's $40K of course it's going to have its advantages.
 
As long as they can fit a slightly better signal to noise ratio in there with all them tiny pixels I'll be happy. Resolution isn't everything by a long shot.
 
sblfilms said:
I'm hoping RED will have some sort of discount program on the trade in RED ONES. I will take the red headed 4K step child off their hands :)
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Now that is a GREAT point!!! :w00t:
I would love "used" RED ONE for about $ 10K :innocent:
 
Lowkus said:
I'd be extremely surprised if Epic cost $40k... $30k maybe... $25k probably.

The prices that people are hearing, I think are wrong. Even if somebody did hear "$40k" from a Red representative at NAB, they may have misheard the real value amongst the loud masses of people...

Fan: "How much for that Epic camera?"
Rep: "It'll sell for <crowd noise> thousand"
Fan: "Four thousand?... oh, of course you must mean 40 thousand! But, that's so high!"

The RedOne was targeted at serious video enthusiasts/professionals on moderate budgets, and Epic would stray very far from that market if priced at $40k. And as most have noted, Epic won't have so much of a performance advantage to justify such a large price increase. History suggests Red will price Epic to meet or exceed customer expectations... so I'd expect Epic to be priced much less than the $40k rumor that's floating around.
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I'd have to agree, Im thinking 25-30K, but Jim always has some tricks up his sleeve.
 
$40k will allow the elbow room to R&D the things to take Epic beyond Red One besides an extra 1k of resolution e.g., solving rolling shutter skew, getting a higher DR, low light performance etc.
 
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