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One of the topics that keeps comming up is "Do you know the best deal on "X" piece of support equipment that will work well with the RED?".

I was just wondering if RED had considered partnering up or recommending any specific gear. As the REDs start to roll out there is going to be a large base of people looking for a lot of support equipment. I would think this would be a great opportunity for all sorts of camera support equipment companys. What I am mainly wondering here is if RED may get together with some companys like APPLE, a follow focus company, a matte box company, a head and stix company etc and have offers of special deals for RED consumers. For example MAC - RED ready edit system for maybe 25% less then what you could buy the system for separately. For established companys looking to gain new brand loyal customers this would be great and even better for new companys looking to get exposure for their product. Added bonus to RED there will be a lot of happy customers with a lot more $ in their pocket to buy another RED body or more RED accesories.

I see cross company promotion like this being a big win win for everyone.

RED team I know you are very busy with the camera right now but I would think building ties with other strong companies could be very benificial and it may be something worth looking into if you have not already.
 
Partnering with MAC would be a bad idea since MAC (computers) will inevitably run into a dead-end. I know a lot of people love MAC in the video industry, and some in the audio industry, but the rest of the world is running Windows and Linux platforms... and most software development efforts underway are geared towards those two platforms, especially for Windows because of the new .NET technologies. If you want to look really far into the future (several decades), Windows will eventually die away and be replaced entirely by a free version of Linux. The only thing slowing down the Linux domination is the still unfinished effort to migrate the .NET languages to Linux. After that's done, Windows and MAC will begin to fade away.
 
Partnering with MAC would be a bad idea since MAC (computers) will inevitably run into a dead-end. I know a lot of people love MAC in the video industry, and some in the audio industry, but the rest of the world is running Windows and Linux platforms... and most software development efforts underway are geared towards those two platforms, especially for Windows because of the new .NET technologies.
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Apple's market share has more that doubled in the last couple of years. It's not going anywhere soon. Also, I highly doubt that .Net is drawing anyone towards windows.
 
By the way Lowkus, my comment was all in good fun. Just that this debate comes up so often on so many forums that it gets kind of funny after a while.
 
Mac

Mac

We have answered this many times already - we are a Mac centric company and will offer full and primary (just not exclusive) support to that platform.

So back to the original question of this thread - what do you guys think about that idea - good / bad / indifferent? Suggestions / recommendations?
 
Lowkus said:
Partnering with MAC would be a bad idea since MAC (computers) will inevitably run into a dead-end. I know a lot of people love MAC in the video industry, and some in the audio industry, but the rest of the world is running Windows and Linux platforms... and most software development efforts underway are geared towards those two platforms, especially for Windows because of the new .NET technologies. If you want to look really far into the future (several decades), Windows will eventually die away and be replaced entirely by a free version of Linux. The only thing slowing down the Linux domination is the still unfinished effort to migrate the .NET languages to Linux. After that's done, Windows and MAC will begin to fade away.
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Okay buddy put down the pipe...
 
well Stuart, I think this could be a really good idea if handeled well. For one I would love to see Native REDCODE support shiped with FCP stoudio. I would also like to see fast switching and most importantly good EDL or XML communications back to REDCINE
 
Personally, I'm more interested in a RED-PACKAGE of some sort - basically, a "this is everything you'll need to shoot" kind of arrangement, with a batch-buy discount. So, lens, matte box, rods, body, battery, HD, whatever doodads and whatsits I'm forgetting, which is exactly why such a bundle would be awesome.
It would be cool to have a customizable RED checkout, where you can add different options to your camera, like the computer companies do. I find it helps me think about what I do and don't need. And it's (more or less) free.
A good checklist would also be a nice option - also cost-free.
 
Thanks for Stuart. I wish I had never brought up APPLE as it really has nothing that much to do with this thread other then a company example.

The main point is could RED do some networking with some other companys to help us get a better deal in outfitting our cameras.

I think I came up with an even better idea. Would it be possible for RED to find or even just put out the word that they are looking to represent some like minded companys on the RED web site. Lets say RED finds a new matte box company that produces a great quality matte box for the RED at a RED price point (reasonable price for film gear, not a rip off because its film gear). RED could sell these items right on their site with reasons and recomendations of how the gear will fit with the RED.

I, and it seems like I am not alone will be looking for a head & tripod, Matte box, follow focus, Edit system and even a set of filters. If I could find these items on RED's site at a good price and rated well I would probably buy my whole set up from RED.

This way RED could probably get us all special discount prices and make some money on the products as well.

If you guys adapt a "RED support equipment store" maybe comming up with this idea you can give me a bit of a bonus discount (Hey its worth a try).
 
DOH!

Penfever, I did not see your thread before mine. It looks like ya beat me to it.
 
...and then I read the thread.

Yeah, offer whatever bundles possible that don't close doors.

25% is too optimistic - why would the other vendor want to? Think of reasons why it would be in Apple's, or whoever's, best interest to offer that kind of a discount.
 
Mike this Thread is not about getting deep into software and computer preference wars so lets not go there. It's about if RED should seek out companys that sell good support products that they can sell or get us agood deal on. As far as if people like the products they offer you can buy it and if you don't like the product you can buy a different one somewhere else.

Please don't make it a techie computer war its not what this is about.
 
The only problem I see or its not a problem is that there are differnt strokes for differtent fooks. Meaning that if you like one tripod I might like another. I highly dought to many people are going to buy the same RED bundle of equipment as others. That is the beauty of the Camera its self. It is modular.. You can mount, configure it, and upgrade it as you want. Same with the equipment you package your RED with. I think partnering with company's in hardware will not be as benificel to RED as one might think. As for NLE or DI system it is extremely benificel... Plus allot of people rent equipment on big shoots. Remeber this is a Digital Cinema Camera. This camera is made to work on big movies. Not to many big movies have personal gear lying around. But I don see what you are talking about here.
 
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The only problem I see or its not a problem is that there are differnt strokes for differtent fooks. Meaning that if you like one tripod I might like another. I highly dought to many people are going to buy the same RED bundle of equipment as others.
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I completely agree. Thats why I am saying RED could offer us what they feel would be the best bang for your buck on products that would fit well with the RED and if you don't like something that is offered don't buy it.

As far as your point about RED being outfitted for feature films I agree at times. I also agree too that most people will not be able to afford cooke S4's and other very expensive equipment. RED will only be outfitted this way sometimes though. I feel most people will be in the same position as me and will equipe their camera to be able to shoot at a high level with NiKON lenses and matte boxes that work with them and other gear that will fit with EFP, local commercials, corporate work and independant features. Then I will rent high end equipment (cookes, big zooms etc)when called for. With this in consideration I feel RED selling this level of hardware would be very benificial.
 
XML: I would disagree about supporting XML, it just isn't implemented well when it comes to FCP. It doesn't link to the original Quicktime files, and doesn't handle speed changes (from what I remember). XML/FCP is half-baked.

2- For high-end work, Red should look at compatibility with:
-Discreet FFI / Linux
-Discreet FF / SGI - this is a big maybe. Most of these systems are old and slow (except for Inferno AFAIK); chances are, the facility has a better system that will handle Red. But there is some old Discreet kit kicking around. (Damn, I can't seem to say Autodesk.)
-DI: Some of these systems may only accept certain forms of DPX and TIFF.
-DDRs: For commercial work graded on a Da Vinci 2K.
 
FOR THE LOVE OF ALL THAT IS HOLY!!!!!!!!!!!

How can Stuart or I explain any clearer that computer systems and tech is not what this thread is about. Did Stuarts or my responses not show up in english on some computers. Its the only explanation I can come up with as the computer disagreements seem intelligent so you would think that means the people who are posting are intelligent and can understand the point about THIS THREAD IS NOT ABOUT COMPUTER ARGUMENTS.

If you want to disagree about workflow computer please start a thread in workflow.
 
it would be nice if there was a package of accessories at a bundle price ...
i'm not sure which "make" of accessories i'll be buying - sticks, matt box , follow focus, zoom control .. i'll have to try em out on RED one ..
i'm planning to pick up my RED at REDs house .. it would be great if they had a couple different tripods, matt boxes, follow focus i could try out while i'm checking out my RED - at the end of the day i could just place a order for the equipment i liked ... if not then i have to take my RED down to X company and try out those items and work out a deal or perhaps RED has a few deals with X companies and we know the price before arrive to try out items ?
 
Finner: I read your post after I had posted mine and I did digress from the original topic, yes. Relax.

2- As far as the original topic goes: I'm indifferent. It's not like there are 'synergies' between Red and support accessories (compared to say, NLE bundles that include DVD authoring, or Goodman's guides and the cameras they are for). Unless people happen to write guides for the Red camera, then those bundles or promo pricing dealies would make sense.
 
Hi Glenn

I hope you did not take what I wrote as an insult as I want to make it clear that I was only trying to use humour to keep things on track. People are so passionate about there edit system choices that it just can become an exersise in futility. Which was not where I wanted this to go as I feel this topic could be beneficial to a lot of us.

Again I apologize if you or Mike felt like I was insulting you as that was not my intention.
 
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