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  • Hey all, just changed over the backend after 15 years I figured time to give it a bit of an update, its probably gonna be a bit weird for most of you and i am sure there is a few bugs to work out but it should kinda work the same as before... hopefully :)

Incredible...

Jim,

Love the camera and the overall philosophy but having a hard time believing the rendering obsolescence obsolete bit. I would say that for most of the configurations that people will want to use with the Epic they will only want to use the new modules that are being built for the Epic. I know that most of the Red One accessories will work with the Epic but how many of them will be used out of choice? New batteries, LCD, viewfinder all coming out and that's just what we know.

I find myself torn between jumping on the Red bandwagon now and maybe buying a low number red package from someone selling, or waiting and not ending up with a bunch of modules that will be 'old tech' in a couple of months. The compromise of course is to buy a Red One now, with nothing to go with it just for the place in the queue, but that seems like a 17.5K deposit for what could be a year or so.

Any advice?

Gary
 
Gary Jones said:
Jim,

Love the camera and the overall philosophy but having a hard time believing the rendering obsolescence obsolete bit. I would say that for most of the configurations that people will want to use with the Epic they will only want to use the new modules that are being built for the Epic. I know that most of the Red One accessories will work with the Epic but how many of them will be used out of choice? New batteries, LCD, viewfinder all coming out and that's just what we know.

I find myself torn between jumping on the Red bandwagon now and maybe buying a low number red package from someone selling, or waiting and not ending up with a bunch of modules that will be 'old tech' in a couple of months. The compromise of course is to buy a Red One now, with nothing to go with it just for the place in the queue, but that seems like a 17.5K deposit for what could be a year or so.

Any advice?

Gary
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Gary... there are a lot of people in your shoes. Not sure exactly what to tell you.

There were many people that believed in us way back when we were a scam. They bought early cameras, struggled through firmware upgrades and have come to love their RED ONE history and experience. These are the ones I want to take extra care of now that we are releasing EPIC and Scarlet. The full trade in allowance is so that the early believers were not "obsoleted" with the new program. That is the spirit of what we are doing. I'll bet that if you asked them if they believe in "obsolescence obsolete" they will tell you... well, maybe you should ask them.

New owners of EPIC and Scarlet will have "obsolescence obsolete" by the nature of the modular and upgradeable system.

Hope this makes sense.

Jim
 
I like the fact that I can still use my old accessories on the Epic X at least until I can afford the new toys. Also, who can ever have too many LCDs, batteries, or drives?
 
Gary Jones said:
Jim,

Love the camera and the overall philosophy but having a hard time believing the rendering obsolescence obsolete bit. I would say that for most of the configurations that people will want to use with the Epic they will only want to use the new modules that are being built for the Epic. I know that most of the Red One accessories will work with the Epic but how many of them will be used out of choice? New batteries, LCD, viewfinder all coming out and that's just what we know.

I find myself torn between jumping on the Red bandwagon now and maybe buying a low number red package from someone selling, or waiting and not ending up with a bunch of modules that will be 'old tech' in a couple of months. The compromise of course is to buy a Red One now, with nothing to go with it just for the place in the queue, but that seems like a 17.5K deposit for what could be a year or so.

Any advice?

Gary
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I see this question is for Jim but I can't help chiming in on at least an element of the your post.

I hear so many people talk about RED being a popular choice or 'bandwagon' as you stated. My draw to the camera system is forward thinking and not selling me a one time purchase. Things can be built to last these days and so many companies spit out products that fold in a few years time.

RED is such a target for people, many of which could be a little jealous for not being apart of it more early, they don't have the money for it, or maybe it's not the system they use. Skepticism is fine but don't be afraid what people think as far as the bandwagon. This kind of sentiment begs to question if people's impressions are more important than practical application of your camera system.

Shooting with a RED does not make you cool. It just is cool to shoot with one.
 
I'm still worried about obsolescence. How much are the modules really going to cost? I predict less than 30% the cost of an epic brain. I'm happy to pay it, but even at the $10k scarlet level it's a pretty significant investment to buy another scarlet brain compared to what I expect the modules to cost. I suppose every bit counts but when a new smaller, lighters scarlets with more framerates and a higher dynamic range come out I'll probably be spending another 50% of my original investment again. There isn't really any way around it, a large portion of the cost of the camera is the sensor and supporting electronics.
 
Jannard said:
Gary... there are a lot of people in your shoes. Not sure exactly what to tell you.

There were many people that believed in us way back when we were a scam. They bought early cameras, struggled through firmware upgrades and have come to love their RED ONE history and experience. These are the ones I want to take extra care of now that we are releasing EPIC and Scarlet. The full trade in allowance is so that the early believers were not "obsoleted" with the new program. That is the spirit of what we are doing. I'll bet that if you asked them if they believe in "obsolescence obsolete" they will tell you... well, maybe you should ask them.

New owners of EPIC and Scarlet will have "obsolescence obsolete" by the nature of the modular and upgradeable system.

Hope this makes sense.

Jim
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I was not one of the 1st.. But I was an early adopter. (#327). Without a doubt the best purchase I ever made. Do I feel taken care of, more than I can say.

And it's not only the camera.. It's the people. I have so many more friends now, and so many wonderful experiences to share.

I understand the poster's worry about getting into the old system now with the new system "around the corner".

I too have always felt the trade up was for those of use who believed even when all we had to stare at were shiny silver renders! (Remember Jim? That was the main request back then, "Can we have it in black please?")

If you were to ask my advice, I would say this. Do nothing based on what you WILL need tomorrow. Work based on what you need TODAY. Do NOTHING with the idea of what MIGHT be available in the future. This is where most people get burned. Jim says things can and will change for a reason. If you are buying a RED just to get in line with an Epic.... I dunno...

Either way, I believed. And I am a member of the RED family... And I am happy to be a part of it.

I am very excited about Epic, but I LOVE my RED, and if I had the money I would not let it go.. I will be sad the day I send it in.


Jay
 
I wouldn't worry that much about obsolescence issues Gavin given that the original RED one is still captures at 4 times the resolution the vast majority of digitally upgraded cinemas/theatres are equipped to project at. There's no real cirumventing the cost of modules, tens of thousands is not mass production by worldwide standards. You have to compare RED's pricing to its nearest competitors equivelant products. A lot of people are going to get a chance that they never would have otherwise but for this company
 
gbalaji said:
One thing Jim. We need faster boot times for Epic and Scarlet faster than present day digital still cameras.
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What present day digital still cameras have you been using? My five year old Nikon D2x is ready instantly (to the naked eye, I think it's technically 0.1 seconds or something like that) when I turn it on.
 
Jannard said:
Gary... there are a lot of people in your shoes. Not sure exactly what to tell you.

There were many people that believed in us way back when we were a scam. They bought early cameras, struggled through firmware upgrades and have come to love their RED ONE history and experience. These are the ones I want to take extra care of now that we are releasing EPIC and Scarlet. The full trade in allowance is so that the early believers were not "obsoleted" with the new program. That is the spirit of what we are doing. I'll bet that if you asked them if they believe in "obsolescence obsolete" they will tell you... well, maybe you should ask them.

New owners of EPIC and Scarlet will have "obsolescence obsolete" by the nature of the modular and upgradeable system.

Hope this makes sense.

Jim
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Makes total sense to me. Thanks Jim.

Not to hijack this thread, as its obviously exciting as hell... but will there be any news on the release of the 18mm Prime coming with EPIC X announcement? (you mentioned a few months ago 18mm, 14, and 16, 40, 65 etc were also in the works)

Thanks
 
Alberto Caprioglio said:
okay, but no-one is so silly to desperately need cards on location. So, who cares if they are available on location? you certainly buy the supports and check everything 3 times even before planning the job, and you buy the right ones, and enough of them for the job. Then you certaily bring a laptop or two, whatever it is all about, and use hdds for the boring job of backupping the potatoes. Or tons of SDs, for that matter.
But why should the camera work be limited by SDs, if they are inferior to CF?

and then, (re: price): if the cards must be Red-cards or Red-approved or Red-fast anyway, what difference is there if they are CF or SD?

If there is a single chance that you'd have to run and find some spare SDs, then I think you'd better arrive to location with spare CFs in your pocket, no?
CF may be more expensive, but have bigger capacity.
Professional still cameras use CFs.
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CF's are fantastic but I like having options no matter what, it's not going to harm anything is it? I would love to be able to archive shoots on the media they were shot on for safety. And yes, I have had CF cards stolen in a relatively remote location. The only available media was SD. As for professional DSLR's using CF's...I expect to see a few hybrids coming along that can shoot on both and then eventually, who knows. :yesnod:
 
Mark L. Pederson said:
well ... it would be off the hook to able to have 1:1 (pixel for pixel) zoom in active while shooting ... ACs would love that - that might be hoping for a bit much but you never know ... but I'd actually be surprised if you couldn't have false color, etc active on the LCD and not in the EVF.
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Yes, I have been wanting this feature too. Would be fantastic if it would have eye tracking and/ or build in range finding and distance read out to the AC. Many small camera (and my cell phone) have eye tracking and distance measuring.
 
If we were ever to do a mattebox, it would probably look like this.

Jim

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Looks great Jim. Hope the price can stay competetive, but looking at your track record, I'm not too worried.
Peace,

-Harry
 
Question about the cf module(s). Sorry if this was covered and I missed it.

Looks like in the exploded view we have two different cf modules that will be available? the one on the side looks like what we've all seen in many of the renders and photos to date.

However, looks like there is one that is "stackable" along with other modules that was the dual slot one. One card per side of the module.

Just to confirm that we are seeing two different CF recording modules, and if so, are both dual slot CF, or is the one that we have traditionally seen mounted on the side of the brain a single slot module?

Thanks.

also noticed the RED Volt XL. Pretty cool.

Later,
jason
 
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