DSMC2 users petition to RED

[Alex Zeder]

Apparently my brain cell was in the wrong thread when I mentioned the PortKeys as it works with the DSMC3 cameras, not DSMC2. Sorry for that.

 

[Zack Birlew]

Regarding the EOL for DSMC2. I can only assume they keep enough inventory to secure warranty for cameras bought late in the cycle. Likely that's like 3 years from now or such. Then also some for ordernary repairs. But I doubt that 4 years from now that Red will service DSMC2. That assumption I can only make from looking at the Red one, Epic / Dsmc1 product cycle. DSMC2 was introduced 2015 and as I remember DSMC1 service was just available some years after that. Which in a way makes sense as it goes quite quick until it's actually less costly to buy a used replacement camera then sending it in for service.

As I see it DSMC2 firmware does not really have any bugs. Sure it freaks out some times and need a restart or such. But for the most part things tend to just work. Feature requests as more anamorphic modes etc... As I see it advanced mode should open up any resolution / squeeze factor possible, Sure its nice to have some defaults to choose from but why limit it to some standards. add a custom mode and let people punch in their own numbers. Might be a fiddle to program but I can't see why it could not be done and I think it would be fair if Red could set a price for such and then people could do a kickstarter or such to collect the funds.

Regarding the restriction to only red licensed media. Why not sell an update that does not have the red SSD lock? Everyone already knows that it was purely a financial decision to lock the minima's. And as there is so many minima's out there, and they are not really selling them any more, why not sell a firmware upgrade and let people replace the internal SSD´s in their mags to get more run time. Plenty of a low cost used mags out there and the replacement SSD´s cost very little now and a way bigger.

What I do not understand is that there is no 3rd party that has come up with a replacement high nits screen for the 7 inch touch. It's a simple low cost DVI touch screen in there. Likely there must be some screen manufacturer that could provide a replacement part that gives the screens a brighter image so we don't have to buy the quite pricy red screen. And yes. also odd that no screen manufacturer have tried to make a red DSMC2 compatible screen alltogether again it's, as I understand, running with a regular DVI touch protocol. Making such screen with pogo connection and a more durable swivel mount and high nits would likely still sell as hotcakes.

Regarding the sensor and OLPF differences between monstro and Raptor... I'm very happy with my monstro sensor, the sensor split issue that raptor has shown is possibly the main reason why I have not bought it yet and the improvements of glare etc between raptor and monstro looks quite negligible.

I had bought a matching 7" screen for my RED 7" Pro screen for my RED One MX before using it on my first feature as the screen included in our bundle kit died suddenly during testing. RED said they didn't repair that screen anymore and nobody in the third-party sphere used the custom RED connectors or made any adapters so I decided to go the DIY route as I had read some people had done so by finding the right replacement screen in posts from years ago.

Unfortunately, I never went through with it as while the screen was the right model, the cables inside the RED 7" Pro LCD were thinner than the ones on the replacement screen, so I have no idea what would happen if I spliced those together let alone what would happen if I plugged it into my RED One MX. In the end I ended up getting a Feelworld F7 HDMI screen which was fantastic and much brighter and more feature rich than the RED 7" Pro screen, even if it did have to lug around a fat Sony NPF battery on the back of it and add to the overall camera rig weight.

RED only made the 5.6" and 7" LCDs for the RED One MX and early DSMC cameras and didn't have any revisions or different screen suppliers to work with them so I can only imagine what will happen if any built in screens on newer cameras die out or the touch monitors fade away from the marketplace over time. Compatibility is key and if RED isn't providing solutions then legacy users will be trying to hunt down any discontinued SmallHD or other third-party screen that might support their cameras over time. I've said it before but if nothing is done to open these cameras up for universal barebones use (ie. media, firmware, device control, etc.) or repair then there is a growing likelihood that RED cameras end up being useless bricks at the bottom of Goodwill and thrift store shelves once the proprietary media and add-ons go out.

 

[Mike P.]

What happens to DSMC2 will be a very telling sign of how DSMC3 will be handled when DSMC4 comes out. Some of us don't want to upgrade just yet, speaking for myself I love my Gemini and Dragon sensor. The thing I'm most concerned about is that SSDs have a life-span, our Red Mini-Mags will fail. Perhaps someone would rather skip a generation and get into DSMC4, I understand CFast is not an option for DSMC2. But for the people that have been there since day one, for the people who have finally been able to invest in a RED as their first cinema camera, let be able to purchase our own storage media. I honestly do not believe this is a big ask, we are still representing the RED brand when we shoot and deliver.

You needn't look forward to DSMC4, just look back at R1 to DSMC1, then DSMC1 to DSMC2, then DSMC2 to DSMC2 Unified to see how quickly the preceding hardware went EOL. It's been the same every time, though the noise/commotion of the upgrade programs may have made it harder to notice (but now that those are gone). It's always been RED's MO (no need to follow through when you can hype the next product). [Sidenote: How comedic is this timing!]

As for mini-mags>opening up the media, because the cameras use plain old SATA protocol, using CFast/CFe/mSATA/NVE/etc might not even need a firmware, just an adapter that does the handshake. And it could be as inexpensive as $20, since that's what SATA-to-Whatever adapters are on PC. Alas, RED have no incentive to do it... Actually there are two big reasons not to bother: 1.) they don't get money from it, and 2.) it'll further postpone people from upgrading.

 

[Björn Benckert]

You needn't look forward to DSMC4, just look back at R1 to DSMC1, then DSMC1 to DSMC2, then DSMC2 to DSMC2 Unified to see how quickly the preceding hardware went EOL. It's been the same every time, though the noise/commotion of the upgrade programs may have made it harder to notice (but now that those are gone). It's always been RED's MO (no need to follow through when you can hype the next product). [Sidenote: How comedic is this timing!]

As for mini-mags>opening up the media, because the cameras use plain old SATA protocol, using CFast/CFe/mSATA/NVE/etc might not even need a firmware, just an adapter that does the handshake. And it could be as inexpensive as $20, since that's what SATA-to-Whatever adapters are on PC. Alas, RED have no incentive to do it... Actually there are two big reasons not to bother: 1.) they don't get money from it, and 2.) it'll further postpone people from upgrading.

The Jinny mag guy clearly explain how the minimag lock works in one of his videos and also explain how to get around it. Its as simple as the ssd serial number plus some is written into some sort of efi like partition on the drive. Then when the mag is inserted in camera it looks for that number if found = good to go.

So yes there is allready a third party solution for mags. But would be cooler ofcourse if the camera firmware just did not look for the serial then any ssd would work. Sure red could still argue that they dont want people to fiddle with such as bad none reliable ssds could hurt thier reputation. But yes, at this point I’m pretty sure thier reputation could only be nothing but improved by setting the minimags free.

And for the screens. Ithink it would be quite easy for someone that are into electronics to find a replacement screen element for the 7” and manufacture connectors for it. I was also looking into it a while back opened my screen up etc. But got im no pro in that field and got cought up in orher things. But as the price for the ultra brights is quite hefty and there is an abundance of used 7” screen that sell for quite little it seams like a goid nishe market for someone to tap into. I would be happy to pay 200usd or such and those allibaba 7” high nit screen elements out there cost far less than that…

 

[Phil Holland]

One thing RED could potentially do is invest time and resources in a "Refresh" strategy. This could result in a paid firmware and potentially hardware (new) update to allow for many of the things people are asking for here. I don't think the direction is purely to "set minimags free". I still think they would need to approve media much like they do now as that is the rub often with the knock off mags. Yes. I've experimented in the past with the 5 options that ever presented themselves that were unofficial, but all had hang-ups and issues that lead down a path of no actual support and worse you can lock up your camera big time. Then there's no support from any direction. We do know approved third party did and has worked. We also know 3 of the knockoff cards really, really didn't work. That's where the rub is it seems.

And the reason I mention potential new hardware is to allow for more modern or alternative media if that's possible with the code, firmware, and OS in prior bodies. I honestly don't know and don't know exactly how much energy that would take to make bulletproof. That's also the thing missed a bunch about "freeing" things as it doesn't exactly work that way these cameras.

The real question is out of the thousands of cameras out there what price, timeline, and quantity an effort like this would take to gain traction and put in action. Long term, new hardware just reveals too many benefits, so that's a known quantity and how digital cinema has worked to date. So a software/hardware and paid solution is the only way I think it would make sense.

I think from a more business perspective depending on the depths of what that new hardware and software means, it might get into a place where it simply can't make sense. But it's likely something to look at.

 

[Les Hillis]

I think asking RED to go through the whole process of making and selling new hardware to facilitate using new and different kinds of media for DSMC2 cameras that they don't even sell any more would be unrealistic.

They've looked into doing that with DSMC before via adapters and decided not to, and I believe them when they said it was for reliability reasons. Maybe things have changed now and an entire new media module could be made that would be more reliable, but I think the time and effort and cost that would have to go into that would push the price of a 'new media solution' too high for those interested in using other media, even if it were technically possible with the DSMC2 cameras and RED were willing to do it.

I can also see why they still might not want to do a DSMC2 firmware update that allows for using unverified media, even if installing it was clearly stated to be warranty-voiding and didn't allow you to roll-back to an earlier fw version once installed.

I'm not sure if it's technically possible, but what I could see them doing, is providing something like an updated QVL list of SSD modules they've tested and approved as suitable for putting in the current RedMag or MiniMag cases/shells, then providing a paid firmware update that allows the DSMC2 cameras to use those newer media internals.

They are still currently selling MiniMags, so technically, they can just point at that and say there's your solution if you want more media. But they could also potentially point to other sources of reliable Mag internals and say there's your DIY solution (basically what RED would have used if they were still making RedMags). If anyone thinks that's a viable alternative, having a list of actual drives you want to use that RED can verify the reliability of might be a good idea.

Which actually gets back to an earlier point - what is it that people actually want to use as recording media, specifically, precisely and exactly?

Because if the request is just for a blanket opening of the DSMC2 cameras to allow the use of whatever media can be hacked to fit, there might already be a quick and simple answer to that, same as before. No. Do whatever you want to your own property but don't expect us to help, and don't try to sell it.


Edited to add - I'm not saying it would happen, but there is the potential there for the unprecedented unregulated use of third party media in DSMC2 cameras to trash the reputation of RED cameras to an extent we've never seen before. If enough shooting gets disrupted and data lost or not captured properly, people aren't going to be interested in 'reasons' or excuses, it'll be the RED camera and the person using it taking the blame. Just saying. It's hard to impossible to quantify the benefits of prevention, but no, not going there myself. While looking sideways at the amount of issues people have had with camera media pre and post RedMags.

 

[Björn Benckert]

Which actually gets back to an earlier point - what is it that people actually want to use as recording media, specifically, precisely and exactly?

Just if being able to swap the sata SSD´s inside the mags for bigger of the shelf SSD´s would make a huge difference for the whole DSMC2 ecosystem.

 

[Les Hillis]

The question then is, what SSD's are actually available for people to buy themselves, and is it even possible for RED to change the camera firmware to allow the use of those newer SSD's without leaving the door open to people using anything and everything else they could put in there?

If it is possible for RED to make available the use of select newer SSD's, what's the actual selection process? I think it would be too much to ask RED to test and quality control each individual SSD like they've done with the ones in the RedMags they sell, but the other question is how far they could go in approving the new brands and capacities and models of SSD's without actually having to guarantee their suitability or reliability.

It also needs to be determined if RED are even set up for, or willing to set up, the transactions required for distributing paid firmware. We can say we'll pay for a 'use at your own risk' camera firmware that will allow the use of replaceable SSD's and other features, but is that itself even a viable possibility?

I don't have the answers to any of those questions and I'm not asking them to be negative about the whole proposition or discourage anyone from finding out the answers. If a new DSMC2 firmware is put out and newer reliable media options and custom resolutions are made available, I'd make use of them myself. But at the same time, if it's a case of having to move on and just make use of what's available until it's dead or gone, then that's that.

 

[Blair S. Paulsen]

Mini-mag NRE should have been recovered long ago. SSD drive internals get faster and cheaper every day.

Perhaps the answer is for RED to lower the prices on their tested, branded mini mags.

IMHO, supporting 3rd party alternatives for mini-mags is a boondoggle for RED - see notes above.

Cheers - #19

 

[peter richweisz]

The question then is, what SSD's are actually available for people to buy themselves, and is it even possible for RED to change the camera firmware to allow the use of those newer SSD's without leaving the door open to people using anything and everything else they could put in there?

If it is possible for RED to make available the use of select newer SSD's, what's the actual selection process? I think it would be too much to ask RED to test and quality control each individual SSD like they've done with the ones in the RedMags they sell, but the other question is how far they could go in approving the new brands and capacities and models of SSD's without actually having to guarantee their suitability or reliability.

It should be possible to use newer ssds, even m.2s as Kippertie did it already.

 

[Les Hillis]

Kippertie worked closely with RED to get that done and also provided a third-party data recovery service should the end-user have needed it,

On the tech side of it, there's no doubt all sorts of things can be made to work. It could also be said, if the DSMC2 line is actually EOL, all sorts of other things will start being done to those cameras as they become increasingly unsupported by RED.

The main question is, are RED willing and able to do at least one more firmware update to enable some final camera and media capabilities before DSMC3 (and whatever might come after that) becomes their sole focus?

If so, then people need to get real specific about what it is they want RED to do.

Maybe RED could even implement an ongoing legacy media program. None of us have been here before, so until people decide how it's going to be dealt with, all options should be on the table imo. DSMC2 doesn't have to be dealt with like RED One's and DSMC1 was.

I'm not going to lose any sleep over it, but as an ongoing RED camera user, I do have some interest in the way this all goes, and I can see more pro's than cons in doing something about how it all plays out now rather than just ignoring it and letting it happen however it would otherwise, even if I don't know enough about the tech or business side of it to be able to offer actual solutions.

 

[Patrick Acum]

Agrre with everything that's been posted so far and feel equally distressed! I don't object to a camera or any tech having a 5 year lifecycle, but I upgraded to gemini just before the pandemic kicked off and then the camera sat on a shelf for three years whilst I paid the finance. Now work is gradually coming back online and my camera is obsolete! With £8k left on my finance, Im not going to be getting a raptor anytime soon. When I bought my dragon, a big incentive was the longevity of the product and that I could upgrade to gemini later (which I did). My initial investment was £15k with the possibility of growing. Now the option is only really to go full in £25k for a body then basically another £10k on new accessories and media. Seeing how the prices of reds crash, I am slightly reluctant to sink another £35k into a new camera.
Look at what kinefinity have done with their mavo 8k. You can either buy their kinemag (which looks like a longtake) for $1000 or buy the aluminium housing and add your own nvme m2 ssd for less than $100. Then they have built in e nd, easily swappable mounts, phantom powered xlrs, wifi streaming, a lightweight carbon fibre/aluminium body which includes a nifty v lock and BP battery plate. If you get the pro pack you get a nice oled, a 2200 nit screen, 2tb of media, 150w v lock, movcam cage and powered baseplate and its still less than half the price of a built raptor and even has a bigger sensor. The colour science looks good, the real downside is the dr is nowhere near red and the same for frame rates. But, the takeaway from them is that there's some real innovation going on there, red could easily mirror there take on media for dsmc2. The raptor sensor is very impressive but the reat of the body seems pretty meh.

 

[Leonardo Newman]

Agrre with everything that's been posted so far and feel equally distressed! I don't object to a camera or any tech having a 5 year lifecycle, but I upgraded to gemini just before the pandemic kicked off and then the camera sat on a shelf for three years whilst I paid the finance. Now work is gradually coming back online and my camera is obsolete! With £8k left on my finance, Im not going to be getting a raptor anytime soon. When I bought my dragon, a big incentive was the longevity of the product and that I could upgrade to gemini later (which I did). My initial investment was £15k with the possibility of growing. Now the option is only really to go full in £25k for a body then basically another £10k on new accessories and media. Seeing how the prices of reds crash, I am slightly reluctant to sink another £35k into a new camera.
Look at what kinefinity have done with their mavo 8k. You can either buy their kinemag (which looks like a longtake) for $1000 or buy the aluminium housing and add your own nvme m2 ssd for less than $100. Then they have built in e nd, easily swappable mounts, phantom powered xlrs, wifi streaming, a lightweight carbon fibre/aluminium body which includes a nifty v lock and BP battery plate. If you get the pro pack you get a nice oled, a 2200 nit screen, 2tb of media, 150w v lock, movcam cage and powered baseplate and its still less than half the price of a built raptor and even has a bigger sensor. The colour science looks good, the real downside is the dr is nowhere near red and the same for frame rates. But, the takeaway from them is that there's some real innovation going on there, red could easily mirror there take on media for dsmc2. The raptor sensor is very impressive but the reat of the body seems pretty meh.

seems like you ended up in a really unfortunate situation, based on what you said I don’t know if you can blame red for it though. Something interesting I heard just today is, when you bought your camera, you bought your camera for what you needed. It a new camera comes out tomorrow it doesn’t change anything about your camera. The Gemini is far from obsolete, everytime I look up I see another film on Netflix being shot on Gemini. I think you can definitely still put your Gemini to work and pay off your last bit of financing.

As it relates to the mavo, Raptor would technically have the bigger sensor, not that it really matters per se. Kinefinity, Alexa lf and Venice all have taller sensors, but raptor is more wider than they are taller. And in a 16x9 container, raptor will always have a bigger canvas . As raptor would be 38.40mm x 21.60mmm and Venice, Alexa lf and Mavo would all only have a sensor area of less than that in their respective 16x9 modes. The extra height of those sensors might be useful for anamorphic but, Yh the sensor isn’t actually bigger than VV.

In terms of media, I wonder if Red wants to deal with the PR of when someone’s self made ssd breaks. Because while the inner community might be grateful that Red unlocked the media, the general community is going to expect for the 3rd party media to work all the time, and even though it wouldn’t be red’s fault they are still going to blame red if it fails. Or they will ask for an approved media list. All of this for a product that Red is no longer selling. From a business standpoint I don’t see the viability of why Red would want to introduce a possible headache. And the good press they get for unlocking the media will quickly be outweighed when someone loses footage because of a failed 3rd party card. They are still selling mini-mags, perhaps the best thing they could do I just drop the price on the mini-mags. That might be a good compromise that doesn’t involve the headache of third party ssd’s failing because they couldn’t sustain the right speeds of 8k 5:1 60fps.

Again I’ll say though, it seems like a pipe dream that they will do anything and the expectation for them to do anything could potentially be wishful thinking. Dsmc2 had firmware updates from 2015 - 2020. 5 years of updates, gata imagine that anything that was going to be updated in those cameras have already been updated. Last note, when you buy a camera you buy it for what it can do at the time of buying it. Firmware updates are cool but to me they’re almost an excuse to release unfinished products like videos games with tons of DLC’s. Yes we should be excited for when new features are added to our cameras, but if it never gets a new feature, unless it was promised to be coming when you purchased it, you would have still received exactly what your paid for. Be excited about that and get out and shoot. Because unless your a rental house, isn’t the majority of your money from the work your produce, as opposed to the gear you use.

 

[James Sielaff]

7) Whats is going on with DSMC2 EVF? can we finally get the real controle of Brightness/Contrast/Chroma

This #7 alone made me drop all faith in RED.

Not to mention they end-of-lifed the Ranger line upon delivery. They announced it as a new product, but quickly shelved it as DSMC2.

 

[Mike P.]

It wouldn't make much sense not to include DSMC1 in these changes; they (DSMC1 and 2 and Unified) use the same SATA and support the same media (mini-mags). Also it's difficult to agree with the 'quality of the drives' mentality because RED used off-the-shelf drives in all their mags and DSMC (1, 2, and Unified) maxes out at only ~300mb/s (which was already mediocre when they launched DSMC2 and pretty slow by any of today's standards). Plus, it wouldn't be any different than Komodo/Raptor/R5C/BMD/every other camera that uses off-the-shelf/non-proprietary media.

I thought the monitor uses DVI, so it should also be easily adaptable if RED allowed it (as in, mimicked so it'd be plug-n-play/wouldn't require a new firmware)?

Anyway, I wouldn't hold my breath; again, no follow through and DSMC2 is apparently already EOL/no longer sold. I don't think it's the development that's too taxing either, it's the beta-testing (ensuring it works as bullet-proof as the last official firmware) that would require a bit of resources/time. So unless a Magic Lantern-like project happens for old REDs (unlikely because of how litigation-happy they are), I doubt we'll see any movement (but in the case of ML, unlocking the media would probably be one of the least cool things achieved, as ML would probably try to do crazy stuff -- 10/12/14bit for data rate benefits and/or frame rate increases and/or double-read out/dualISO for extra DR, etc etc like they did with the Canons).

 

[Luka Sanader]

This #7 alone made me drop all faith in RED.

Not to mention they end-of-lifed the Ranger line upon delivery. They announced it as a new product, but quickly shelved it as DSMC2.

i have paid 4500$ for EVF that i cant adjust and that aside form having a good screen and optics is for fact bad EVF image. Saddest part about it is that startup "screen" on EVF looks susper nice blacks are black, color chart looks good and healthy and then when a color profile is loaded image looks like garbage. I have wrote so many times to red at different points and they told me "with a present hardware there are limitations to allow Brightness/Contrast/Chroma " Really!? how come you have healthy image displayed on the start up? Obviously there is adjustment so why not making one page in Manu that will allow us to adjust? Nop! Reds solution to the problem is that we run custom LUT when we want to have accurate EVF. this sucks big time and i dont know any camera system that has similar approach. for us that use EVF almost 100% of times on any camera this sucks. I am no expert but i think that Red could made this possible if they cared, but they dont

 

[Luka Sanader]

Agrre with everything that's been posted so far and feel equally distressed! I don't object to a camera or any tech having a 5 year lifecycle, but I upgraded to gemini just before the pandemic kicked off and then the camera sat on a shelf for three years whilst I paid the finance. Now work is gradually coming back online and my camera is obsolete! With £8k left on my finance, Im not going to be getting a raptor anytime soon. When I bought my dragon, a big incentive was the longevity of the product and that I could upgrade to gemini later (which I did). My initial investment was £15k with the possibility of growing. Now the option is only really to go full in £25k for a body then basically another £10k on new accessories and media. Seeing how the prices of reds crash, I am slightly reluctant to sink another £35k into a new camera.
Look at what kinefinity have done with their mavo 8k. You can either buy their kinemag (which looks like a longtake) for $1000 or buy the aluminium housing and add your own nvme m2 ssd for less than $100. Then they have built in e nd, easily swappable mounts, phantom powered xlrs, wifi streaming, a lightweight carbon fibre/aluminium body which includes a nifty v lock and BP battery plate. If you get the pro pack you get a nice oled, a 2200 nit screen, 2tb of media, 150w v lock, movcam cage and powered baseplate and its still less than half the price of a built raptor and even has a bigger sensor. The colour science looks good, the real downside is the dr is nowhere near red and the same for frame rates. But, the takeaway from them is that there's some real innovation going on there, red could easily mirror there take on media for dsmc2. The raptor sensor is very impressive but the reat of the body seems pretty meh.

And that is why i wont invest one more cent in Red. i have to say that i really like XL and i would be happy with that machine however i would never, ever, ever, ever feel safe to invest 60k in red system. Also big factor for me the stigma that goes with this brand and i am tierd of advocating for Red and convincing a clients hoe "red is reliable" or how "its not hard for post"
I woud rather invest 100% of money in Mini LF and then work normally and making that money back in due time then loosing a 30K on Red that was declared un cool, not desirable and mass sold on eBay for 10 cents on a dollar

sad but truth

 

[James Sielaff]

i have paid 4500$ for EVF that i cant adjust and that aside form having a good screen and optics is for fact bad EVF image. Saddest part about it is that startup "screen" on EVF looks susper nice blacks are black, color chart looks good and healthy and then when a color profile is loaded image looks like garbage. I have wrote so many times to red at different points and they told me "with a present hardware there are limitations to allow Brightness/Contrast/Chroma " Really!? how come you have healthy image displayed on the start up? Obviously there is adjustment so why not making one page in Manu that will allow us to adjust? Nop! Reds solution to the problem is that we run custom LUT when we want to have accurate EVF. this sucks big time and i dont know any camera system that has similar approach. for us that use EVF almost 100% of times on any camera this sucks. I am no expert but i think that Red could made this possible if they cared, but they dont

Most of the time when Red drops the ball, it is in more essential and simple ways, like the EVF. they get the broad strokes right and miss a few critical details that could be fixed, but since they are contracting out so much of the work, once the design on paper is done they can’t fix anything without taking a big L. so they just seem to move on. It isn’t that red entirely sucks, as they’ve done enough right, it’s that i just don’t have faith in them to follow through. Like if you have a roofer that leaves one leak but does everything else right… eventually you don’t want to hire them.

 

[Mattia Palombi]

’m in favor of a petition to address firmware updates. I’ve been investing in RED since the EPIC then DRAGON and currently on HELIUM. I found quite frustrating that RED didn’t give us a possibility to upgrade from DSMC2 to DSMC3. I think this will fire back at them. Personally I’m still quite happy with the image capabilities of the Helium. It’s a future proof sensor. DSMC2 it’s far from dead. RED please don’t disappoint loyal costumers.

 

[Luka Sanader]

as Phil pointed out in one of the post, this should be paid upgrade! I would buy a new Firmware with fix issues, unlocked media and fixed bugs, i would buy tomorrow new side modul for new type of media. i would pay for better lullcontrole. This isnt the main market but it isnt small market either. A lot of folks would buy this.