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  • Hey all, just changed over the backend after 15 years I figured time to give it a bit of an update, its probably gonna be a bit weird for most of you and i am sure there is a few bugs to work out but it should kinda work the same as before... hopefully :)

Some tests - I would say it just works...

Gunleik,

a gentle, open minded test without any "pro" allures.

Love the picture of your kind in the sleeping room particularly. Nice kid you have!

Developing raw in a log curve (RedLogFilm) to RGB gives the viewer the best feel of what the camera/sensor is doing.

I don't want numbers, never had them in my film-times.


Warm Regards, and thanks for the tease!

Hans
 
Would be great to see an image from the dragon that did not look good, super under exposed tungsten or such. Like a whole forest lit by a shitty lamp or similar I really want to see how it looks when it hit's the floor. Kind of like the shot of your kid but with a 1/10 of the shutter time of what you had in your shot, 1/20 of the shutter time would be great to see also. But I guess those pictures are not aloud just yet. Beutiful images are not really so interesting as we seen that from all kinds of cameras.
 
Björn Benckert said:
Would be great to see an image from the dragon that did not look good, super under exposed tungsten or such. Like a whole forest lit by a shitty lamp or similar I really want to see how it looks when it hit's the floor. Kind of like the shot of your kid but with a 1/10 of the shutter time of what you had in your shot, 1/20 of the shutter time would be great to see also. But I guess those pictures are not aloud just yet. Beutiful images are not really so interesting as we seen that from all kinds of cameras.
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Isn´t it about, what we can do with it .... not the other way around?

Wicked. i am super excited about what it does! .... Mark Toia's white car did it, Tom Low's Elephants show it .... all clear.

The dragon makes beautiful images .... more of it ... LOL .... my feeling from the moments playing with it is, for many shooting styles, in available light, usable days just got a whole lot longer .... ;-)

In my book, i saw perfectly usable images, 6k@2000 for full 4k delivery ....

... and did i mention, "Wouw!" .... was the most used word around the camera ... ;-)

peace.
Detlev
 
Mick van Rossum said:
So Gunleik, will you be at the Oslo Digital Cinema Conference this weekend ? Would be nice to meet up.
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I can drop in.
Have the kids and a gig AND cannot show any images at that event, but I can chat a bit.
 
Björn Benckert said:
Would be great to see an image from the dragon that did not look good, super under exposed tungsten or such. Like a whole forest lit by a shitty lamp or similar I really want to see how it looks when it hit's the floor. Kind of like the shot of your kid but with a 1/10 of the shutter time of what you had in your shot, 1/20 of the shutter time would be great to see also. But I guess those pictures are not aloud just yet. Beutiful images are not really so interesting as we seen that from all kinds of cameras.
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Yes I know. One learn a lot from shots like that.
 
Hans von Sonntag said:
Gunleik,

a gentle, open minded test without any "pro" allures.

Love the picture of your kind in the sleeping room particularly. Nice kid you have!

Developing raw in a log curve (RedLogFilm) to RGB gives the viewer the best feel of what the camera/sensor is doing.

I don't want numbers, never had them in my film-times.


Warm Regards, and thanks for the tease!

Hans
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THX

In my last 12 hours now... ;)
 
Detlev Eller said:
Isn´t it about, what we can do with it .... not the other way around?

Wicked. i am super excited about what it does! .... Mark Toia's white car did it, Tom Low's Elephants show it .... all clear.

The dragon makes beautiful images .... more of it ... LOL .... my feeling from the moments playing with it is, for many shooting styles, in available light, usable days just got a whole lot longer .... ;-)

In my book, i saw perfectly usable images, 6k@2000 for full 4k delivery ....

... and did i mention, "Wouw!" .... was the most used word around the camera ... ;-)

peace.
Detlev
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No, it's all about limitations -that's what defines gear, how often or not you cannot shoot or it lets you down. A bad camera only works under a narrow set of circumstances - a good one works under many different conditions, and nonetheless looks awesome. You could make awesome/perfect images with an Epic MX - you don't need Dragon for that - what changes is Dragon will make awesome images more often and with perhaps less money and time, less watts of lights, etc. Laforest Reverie was terrible for this. It made producers forget what you could **not*** do with a 5D. Same goes for the new Movi demos. Sure it sells 5Ds and Movis, but it also leads to disappointment and heartache.
 
Gunleik how is Dragon reaction to ¨older¨ lenses like your Standards and Jenas. Im expecting it to be superb with high end glass like Masters. But I also love the idea that it´s added resolution and clarity can breathe additional life into older lenses and their wonderful characteristicts.
 
Nick Morrison said:
Gunleik how is Dragon reaction to ¨older¨ lenses like your Standards and Jenas. Im expecting it to be superb with high end glass like Masters. But I also love the idea that it´s added resolution and clarity can breathe additional life into older lenses and their wonderful characteristicts.
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Dragon + old glass = bliss
 
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Time to wrap....

(nope. This shot is not from Dragon, Sanjin or Detlev) ;)
 
I think I am kinda done...

3am here now, Have to drive people home and get up in time to get the equipment and Dragon back where they belong.

Been quite a ride...
 
Robert Ruffo New said:
No, it's all about limitations -that's what defines gear, how often or not you cannot shoot or it lets you down. A bad camera only works under a narrow set of circumstances - a good one works under many different conditions, and nonetheless looks awesome. You could make awesome/perfect images with an Epic MX - you don't need Dragon for that - what changes is Dragon will make awesome images more often and with perhaps less money and time, less watts of lights, etc. Laforest Reverie was terrible for this. It made producers forget what you could **not*** do with a 5D. Same goes for the new Movi demos. Sure it sells 5Ds and Movis, but it also leads to disappointment and heartache.
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Tend to agree with a lot of this.
Know your tools and test for the conditions you will shoot in and best delivery-format you will deliver.

I will take the tests through a full workflow to delivery and check the result on 4k screens. So far I have only shot.
I tend to form opinions on practical experience.

My main reaction to shooting with it, was that it was a confidence builder.
When shooting within the framework of exposure-range I decided as good for my uses, so far - what I have seen has been good or has surpassed my expectations.

As to Bjørns request.
I have done shots like that.

As to comparisons. They will come, I am sure.
My Epic was out most of the time and I did not shoot anything to compare.
I could have spent these days shooting comparisons with Epic, R1, Alexa and F55.
BUT that was not the goal and also not what really interested me.
Practical use and application for me and what I do, was.
And frankly, I rarely think in numbers, even though I am capable of extracting a few, if that is my goal.
So I did a test which is more in sync with my thinking and daily userneeds.
Totally subjective and personal. And as far as I have seen, Dragon has responded wonderfully to that.
To me... That is kinda the most important part.
I can easier get more different feelings out of the dragon.
And the inherent gentleness of the beast, really attracts me.
I want it.

To me... well THAT matters the most. More than being able to shoot at "whatever" iso.
Have not even done the basic test of shooting the same frame at different ISO ratings to check if ISO is implemented differently in Dragon to previous RED cams.
Because it did not feel important.

I saw I can "push" it longer in post than I can the Epic. Without colors or resolution getting major hits.
In the example I posted, I pushed 2 stops.
But mind you. The picture was NOT without contrast at 800.

Give her something to work with, she roars.
but without light and contrast, I pretty much see what I would have expected to see without light and contrast.



And today I have been shooting natural light day and night exteriors and odd light conditions int all day.

And I look forward to check what came out of that,

I tend to agree with a lot of Peters observations around exposure and range and fatness and what makes it so "fun and exciting", without having waded through all the material I shot. I think those are pretty solid for an excellent result.

I like lights, and think the Dragon does not mind it either.

It is cool to have tested a "yet not released" RED camera which over these days did NOT crash on me once, except when I did mean stuff to it to see what happened "if".

I have also seen what appears to be some cool new security-features, which I have not been able to verify or confirm, but I think will make life even more comfortable for Dragon shooters if what I observed is a repeatable behaviour.

All in all though, it was not the "new toy" thingy that got me and gets me when I watch in post. It is the "better instrument" feeling that gets me.
And THAT.
is a very comforting and reassuring and exciting feeling.

Really will be sad to see her go tomorrow.
I did not expect to connect so much with it, as I have done.
Dragon will be sorely missed. And I will use any chance to get to shoot it again.
Those who upgrade or buy a new, will be in for a ride.

Hafta sleep for a couple of hours.

Thanks to jarred, Brent, Graeme, Jim and all for letting me have a play!
REALLY appreciate that more than I can say!

Loved what I saw and see
Look forward to pushing it through the full pipeline to see what I can make of it.

Night!
 
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