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  • Hey all, just changed over the backend after 15 years I figured time to give it a bit of an update, its probably gonna be a bit weird for most of you and i am sure there is a few bugs to work out but it should kinda work the same as before... hopefully :)

Some tests - I would say it just works...

Hey Gunleik, awesome stills. Would it be possible to post that last one as a 6K tif or dpx? That is just bonkers. I'm interested in seeing the noise pattern in there. It looks gorgeous. Thanks so much for being so active and your stills are some of the most breathtaking stills I've seen posted. I love your passion for the old lenses.

Best,

-John Brennick
 
Just looked at the full resolution JPGs of that cityscape. Lot's of good stuff in there.
 
Terry VerHaar said:
I can't decide if all of this Dragon stuff is getting me excited or depressed; both, really. I was all excited to trade my Scarlet in for Epic but now I know I am going to have to go the next step, too. Arggghhhh. LOL
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For me its something to look forward too :)

Enjoying my early career with my Scarlet.

I will someday have a DRAGON in my clutches...or is the other way around ;)
 
Just a quick update as to the requests...

No TIFFs or DPXs

None of the testmaterial

No comparative stuff

No numbers.

Have fun with these teases! ;)

Have patience sayeth the Lord.

It will all come in due time. Not necessarily from me! ;)
 
Medavoym said:
Care to expand on that?...
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Just did some cropping, re-sizing, and sharpening experiments to down sample to 4K. That's all.

The real question for me with even these compressed jpgs is what do you want the final image to look like?

Not much else to say just yet, but I like that I can make them "real crispy" and hold/reveal that detail. These cityscapes sort of show just that.
 
Phil Holland said:
Just did some cropping, re-sizing, and sharpening experiments to down sample to 4K. That's all.

The real question for me with even these compressed jpgs is what do you want the final image to look like?

Not much else to say just yet, but I like that I can make them "real crispy" and hold/reveal that detail. These cityscapes sort of show just that.
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Those shots have no/little posttreatment for exactly the reasons Phil mention.

There is a bit of cast from the ND (which some people confuse with IR...)

I let it mostly stay, even though it is a simple tintcorrection.

But these images can quickly "go places"
 
I suppose these are still beta test images as there is quite a bit of moire in the roofs and some false coloring on horizontal and vertical lines.
 
an important thing

this is a sneakpeek into the future that red has been generous enough to offer me and even let me share some things.
please comment to me offlist if you see baddies, and i bring it on, if i agree or do not have a user f*ckup as an explanation.

Behave here please, or i will take every image down... :-)

i have 24 more hours to shoot, and have had little time for post...for now, asume that all baddies are my fault, and enjoy the goodies.

this thing is the most entertaining and inspiring camera i have ever shot.



cheers

g
 
HDRx samples. Please.
 
No requests.

before I run out for my last hours of shooting, I will quote myself.

Wrote this as a respons to a cameratesting discussion.

I stand by every word!

(and do not take this as the numbers do not play in Dragons favour, they really do by a huge margin. BUT, to me - userexperience is the biggie here!)


OK; Here goes.

I think it is fully possible to do comparative tests.
What bothers me slightly, is that usually I test for a specific production,
and the needs and what we check for varies highly, due to that individual
not camera-related variable.

It is more of a "what are we looking for" and a full matrix from price to
performance to need of support-functions, which decides which cam is right,
for f.ex. a long TV series.

"best" is not an absolute.
What gets us there the way we want, is more relevant.

One can check for DR, colormetry, over/under-exposure handling,
gradeability and keyability.

Then it is the "it" factor. How does this machine and all the tech data
play together and make it a camera-experience.
NOW.

There you go.
Measurability is lost.

What I also see is that even DR is a hornets nest. A lot depends on what
you shoot for, type of locations and what you are prepared for in the lowlights and highlights.
Finally; what kind of images does the productioon need?

And:
Is noise always and inherently bad?
I, for one, think not.
Introducing optical artefacts in the signalpath adds to the "livelyness" of
an image.
HOW it goes into black, is more interesting to me, than that something
eventually will be... black...
So what.
Black is good.
So is white...
how we get there can be good or bad, though.

Masterprimes are probably the most sterile lenses I have used.
They measure REALLY well.
And I love them.

BUT
I think of them as an optical starting point which can be shaped.

The same goes when I see a really technically "good" image.

Cool.
let us see how we can distort that.
it is called "creating an image"... ;)

But that also means that I like starting with "good" images, because that
gives me control.
And I am not a huge fan of "leaving it to post" (now, I know THAT is
another discussion. Just saying)

problem is that already the measurable things, like DR and
color-representation, do not tell us much about fidelity and user
experience...

I seriously think we will skip the numbers-game in a not-so-distant future,
as I think a few things will standardize, a camera-generation or two from
now.

And then, like in all instruments for artistic or scientific purpose, it
will not boil down to "theoretical potential" (which in my book equals
numbers), and the focus will be more on signalchains and how shapeable they
are.

I come from Music.

A Yamaha and a Steinway or a Bosendorfer or a Blutner or a Kawai are all great grand pianos with
the same tonal and dynamic register.
But they definitely do NOT sound the same.
And even though the Yammy is probably the most "uniformly and measurably
correct" sounding of them, from some theoretical perspective, I prefer the
tempers of the Bosendorfers, or Steinways...
And gee. They are even individual instruments that differ a lot in character...

It is not all in the numbers!

The number-tests had more of a purpose when new ground was broken. (as in; going from film to digital)

Now those numbers are not soooo interesting.
What they do, is.
 
Quickie here...

Pixelpeeking is fun.
so is discovering oddities.

NOW, please go on sending me images, if you have questions, BUT

Do not scale beyond 100% on a jpg image and simultaneously expect to not see scaling and jpeg artifacts...

also remember that there is a bit of tonality difference between a 16 bit log image and an 8-bit jpg...

Kinda smiling and understand why some becomes post-supervisors, while others do not...

Keep em coming!

G
 
Sanjin Jukic said:
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Will Keir said:
I was lead to believe Sanjin was the one taking the photo.
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... I took it. On Gunleiks iphone.

Don´t know what Sanjin has to do with it.
 
I think Will just presumed it was taken by Sanjin as Sanjin posted the image.

Sanjin said a few posts later that it wasn't anything to do with him...

So I don't think it's anything nefarious, just a few crossed wires :)
 
Andy White said:
I think Will just presumed it was taken by Sanjin as Sanjin posted the image.

Sanjin said a few posts later that it wasn't anything to do with him...

So I don't think it's anything nefarious, just a few crossed wires :)
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... well, i guess it is just me being sensible to people bashing a camera or company on FB .... that they have not been privileged enough to be close to.
I will not comment on anything more on that matter. i just think it is most disrespectful.

But i will say this:

The Dragon, is the most impressive image capturing device created. there is no way arguing around that. I´d say, to everyone interested in filmmaking and story telling, to stop the comparitive pixel peep show and fly the dragon .... it is absolutely awesome!!! .....


´nough said.


P.S.

Wouw!° .... was the most used word on many days of the shooting .... :-)
 
The images posted by Gunleik and others from this sensor say something very clear to me. Jim has always said that film would need to be replaced someday and that he, with the help of an amazing group of people, set about building a worthy replacement. Despite what some may have said over the last six years, the images from Dragon show me, at least, the high level of respect Jim and the rest of the Red team have for film and just how far they have come to build a worthy successor. This stuff reminds me so much of film images. Much more than anything I've ever seen from a digital sensor before. And at 6k and 15 or however many stops of DR and with a "native ISO" (outmoded expression) of 1600 or whatever the hell it is.

As Gunleik has intimated, it seems not so much about what it can do but the way it goes about doing it that is so impressive.
 
And i have to add that i really love what RED is doing here, giving the Dragon to carefully selected members of this community, letting them run their own tests without any supervision and even letting those people share their thoughts and some images. There is no better way to show how much you believe in your own product and your customers.

Thanks Gunleik for your sneak peak, you've earned to be part of this. And thanks RED for doing this, it's amazing to watch.
 
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