REDRAY NOW SHIPPING...

[Eryc Tramonn]

a couple of notes on rendering a REDRay file - took the MammothHD 2013 demo/show reel which is 6 minutes as the test file 4K(QHD with audio track):
The ProRes4444 file - 49.5 GB (which is the file we showed at NAB)
The DPX Folder for ingesting into REDCineX for REDRay encoding = 320 GB (created from the ProRes4444 file)
the resulting REDRay file = 1.83GB

all done and finished in 4K - with playback thru REDRay Player

Used the mid setting of 18 "Premium" - will be testing both the 9/Standard and 36/Cinema settings over the weekend...

What was the elapsed time to transcode? Interesting to hear how lithe the resultant file became...intense alchemy happening inside that box. Thank you for sharing the details.

 

[Clark Dunbar]

....on the render time for this reel - almost doesn't matter with this test - as it's on an old Mac tower with the primary files on another machine connected via the inhouse network _ So very slow 'machine-to-machine'. That being said - the 6 minutes file -> after it was prepped to the dpx folder and wave audio file -> took 5 hours to complete. The primary drive was being used during that time along with other connections and file transfers on the inhouse net - so not a efficient nor note worth test. If I have the time over the weekend - may try this file again - with the workstation setup for a much more dedicated encode path.

 

[Ron Lagerlof]

since you are in LA and have a REDRAY, and since Ron Lagerlof is in LA and he has a Seiki + the Gefen boxes, here is what I would do: I would give Ron a call ----snip---- The only other thing you may want to consider would be a professional calibration from David Webb (which I plan to do).

I'm out of the country for another week and then in SF for two weeks. I'm happy to share my experience / test setup with you guys but just to let you know, I have been talking with Gefen to come up with an even more elegant solution...

As for the David Webb contact, can someone please send me his info?

Thanks - Ron

 

[Bill Sepaniak]

As for the David Webb contact, can someone please send me his info?

Here is his contact info:

http://www.solvengineering.com/about.html


_____________________________
Scarlet X # 1859 “Bettie Page”
“… preparing to ‘whip’ the competition …”

Zeiss Lenses:

CY 21/2.8
ZF 28/2.0
CY 35-70/3.4
CY 50/1.4
ZF100/2.0

Nikon Lenses:
G 14-24/2.8
G 24-70/2.8
D 80-200/2.8

Tokina Lenses:

11-16/2.8

 

[Charles_Z]

Can you do playback QC on your computer or do you have to monitor via REDRAY?

 

[Phil Holland]

Can you do playback QC on your computer or do you have to monitor via REDRAY?

Currently REDRAY and the forth coming Red projectors are the only devices that support playback of the .RED format.

 

[Peter Majtan]

As Phil have said above - you need the dedicated REDRAY HW (the player, or the yet-to-be-released projector) to play .RED files.

Having said that and given the low cost of the REDRAY player - I hope there will be an option to QC / playback the .RED via the new RED ROCKET (and hopefully the old one too) and RCXP...

:sifone: Peter

 

[Jason Diamond]

Hey.. some of you probably already got a surprise from your delivery guy today.. REDRAY has officially started to ship

Was def a surprise to see the REDRAY show up in the mail and we're encoding away on some killer content for the launch!

 

[Ivan Kovax]

I wonder if .RED files will ever be viewable on a home computer without the aid of propriety hardware? That would be the ideal competitive scenarion. Decoding is generally less intensive than encoding, and given the 2.5 bitrate, this seems like a hopeful reality.

Just wondering where this is all leading to... with 4K computers down the line, I hope RED is first in line to make their codec the codec of choice.

 

[Frazier Nivens]

also - just ran a test on a clip at the 9 "standard" setting - looks good, but will agree with Jeff that I'll use the 18 setting most of the time.

Another request on the RR player - figuring it's going to be used a lot in screening rooms and meetings - would be wonderful if we have a stop and then advance 'frame-by-frame' feature - forward/backward.

Clark, which TV are you using to playback,
Frazier

 

[Elsie N]

I wonder if .RED files will ever be viewable on a home computer without the aid of propriety hardware? That would be the ideal competitive scenarion. Decoding is generally less intensive than encoding, and given the 2.5 bitrate, this seems like a hopeful reality.

Just wondering where this is all leading to... with 4K computers down the line, I hope RED is first in line to make their codec the codec of choice.

Only problem with that is that it might negate the rights management... unless content could be designated as unplayable on a computer if the author wanted to limit it to theaters and home RRay Players. Maybe just allow the 9Mbit encode to be playable on a computer?

 

[Clark Dunbar]

Hey Frazier - at this time I'm just using a HD - Panasonic Plasma 50", ...still trying to decide what 4K panel I'll pickup.

 

[Phil Holland]

While 4K is indeed the focus of REDRAY it should be mentioned that using the REDRAY and .RED codec on any 1080p display yields far better results than say a 1080p Blu-ray or any sort of broadcast stream.

It's beautiful man.

 

[Elsie N]

While 4K is indeed the focus of REDRAY it should be mentioned that using the REDRAY and .RED codec on any 1080p display yields far better results than say a 1080p Blu-ray or any sort of broadcast stream.

It's beautiful man.

That's what I'm counting on for the present.

 

[Elsie N]

So, the .RED plug-in encodes 9, 18, and 36 for cinema. I'm beginning to think the Red Ray Projector becomes one model instead of a home projector and theater projector as proposed earlier. Instead of going the hardware route of improving the image, it appears they've gone the CODEC way of improving the theatrical image. Hope I'm right, and hope that projector is under $10,000.

 

[Phil Holland]

So, the .RED plug-in encodes 9, 18, and 36 for cinema. I'm beginning to think the Red Ray Projector becomes one model instead of a home projector and theater projector as proposed earlier. Instead of going the hardware route of improving the image, it appears they've gone the CODEC way of improving the theatrical image. Hope I'm right, and hope that projector is under $10,000.

The way I look at the .RED codec is a new "all in one" theatrical quality delivery format that can potentially replace or be an alternative to DCP.


Tough to make a call on if we'll see a REDRAY Home Projector and/or the CRIMSON. I think they are both in the oven baking. There is a difference in pure power (bigger lasers) to project to a screen size of 40-60 feet versus say a 15 foot screen at home. Mostly due to lens dispersing the light of lasers in there and more or less the inverse square law coming back into play on the emitted light. It's still a better way to go than a bulb source though and you want experience the fall off and vignette that's often caused by that.

One thing I've noticed at theaters around the USA and outside of this country is that the screens themselves will need to be addressed. There needs to be a level of quality control attached to that. Yellowing, rips, tears, or just generally being dirty. With laser projection like this we'll be in some new territory in terms of image quality, color consistency, and contrast. Each theater will tackle their screens differently in terms of size, shape, and material. In addition to that the ambient conditions should be examined at some theaters as well (strip lights, etc...).


Looking at the quality of the images REDRAY as a playback device though is impressing me more and more. I'm really looking forward to projecting images from this box. It's small enough to drop into a laptop bag and I'll be driving it around town testing it out. I'm exporting some DPX frames at the moment to encode to .RED on Monday and can't wait to see this material in 4K.

 

[Ian McKenzie]

There are a number of 4k TV and projector owners who are looking for 4k content to display on their new toys. :smile5: Obviously there are a substantial number of owners of Red cameras on this forum who have 4k content. Now that the Redray is shipping can those with Red 4k content make it available to a new owner of the Redray and a 4k TV/projector or do they have to wait until Odemax gets organized to distribute that content to the Redray owners ?
Thanks.

 

[Casey Green]

Yesterday, we had the opportunity to test REDRAY with the Sony 55" 4K XBR55X900A panel. Sony typically has been demoing these with USB sticks loaded with very limited content. (video mixed with Ken Burns style UHD still montages). When connected to REDRAY, the images were extremely pleasing. (Especially those from the RED 800 REEL). It took some adjustments of color, brightness, and sharpness to get optimal results, but the difference between that and upressed 1080p is no contest. No issues with sync or loss of signal...

Like everyone says, not crazy about the built in speakers - I'm looking forward to prices dropping soon on 4K panels and to see what Samsung, Asus, and Apple have in store. The next few months are going to be very interesting...

 

[Troy Bakewell]

I hope 4k projectors start to come down even more than panels. Kinda shocked there haven't been any sub 5k projectors announced yet actually.

 

[Casey Green]

BTW, Anyone in the L.A. area interested in testing REDRAY on their 4K display, feel free to private message me and we can discuss.