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  • Hey all, just changed over the backend after 15 years I figured time to give it a bit of an update, its probably gonna be a bit weird for most of you and i am sure there is a few bugs to work out but it should kinda work the same as before... hopefully :)

REDRAY NOW SHIPPING...

When I was feeling better, one time, I was interested in going around the country to all the independent regional cinemas, as they can't afford to go for conventional systems, and are locked out of the mainstream. Something like Redray is a send for them, it gives them something to show that people can't go to main chain theaters in the city to watch. Face it, the main chain over here is unlikely to join Redray odemax etc. as they are tied to the competition. ButbI was not good enough, and had other high priorities, and didn't contact Red directly with the idea. But it is a great idea, you can open up show rooms in ten times more places, and people can border films they want to see as a group. The local RSL's community clubs etc, can make screenings on the weekends in their halls. I spoke to one theater owner that scored an old digital projector about Redray at the historical theater Babinda. Ingham has a very nice little cinema as another example. I would not mind seeing s cinema at Gordonvale, but one old theater diva squash courts and the other a Veterinarian etc. So there is much unexpected potential for Redray projectors, wouldn't you agree Jarred?

I failed to get my $1000- 8k microprojector project off the ground last year (my engineer suddenly found himself lined up to be the head of a billion dollar company unfortunately, that squashed it early, such a waste of his time frankly).


@Jarred.

Still, I do need a 8k home crimson projector with or without Redray, but with fill rec2020 and 200% color profiles, preferably through latest display port or thunderbolt, for my touch table, any chance Jarred?

A lot to people need 8k resolutions for advertising solutions. The projection films give clear, high contrast, and even touch solutions on shop windows, much bigger market than cinemas in projector numbers.
 
Is there something wrong with the Red servers, I've been getting subscriptions and forum thread lists highlighted as unread posts for days, but with no new unread posts. So I'm continually reopening threads to realise that there are no new posts.
 
Wayne Morellini said:
Is there something wrong with the Red servers, I've been getting subscriptions and forum thread lists highlighted as unread posts for days, but with no new unread posts. So I'm continually reopening threads to realise that there are no new posts.
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I see this issue pretty often too, would be great if that could be fixed...
 
Blair S. Paulsen said:
Long delays in ratification of standards like HEVC and HDMI 2.0 put a number of vendors in a tough spot
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More important than HDMI 2.0 is HDCP 2.2, which content owners are requiring for UHD. This requirement is the reason you can't watch House of Cards S2 in UHD (encoded using HEVC 10-main) today. Samsung is supposed to have the first display on the market that can play it back. Vizio will have displays too, but they will probably ship after Samsung ships.
 
Stacey Spears said:
More important than HDMI 2.0 is HDCP 2.2, which content owners are requiring for UHD. This requirement is the reason you can't watch House of Cards S2 in UHD (encoded using HEVC 10-main) today. Samsung is supposed to have the first display on the market that can play it back. Vizio will have displays too, but they will probably ship after Samsung ships.
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And thats just sad... HDCP is such a waste of time, money and everything. It was never really needed for tv and blurays, caused lots of problems in the beginning and is just annoying. Pirates rip the discs and tv-feeds directly, 1:1 data, perfect rips. But yeah, the industry has hindered them to capture the HDMI-output. Well, they tried, because even HDCP is not a problem.
 
Catch 2.2

Catch 2.2

Stacey Spears said:
More important than HDMI 2.0 is HDCP 2.2, which content owners are requiring for UHD. This requirement is the reason you can't watch House of Cards S2 in UHD (encoded using HEVC 10-main) today. Samsung is supposed to have the first display on the market that can play it back. Vizio will have displays too, but they will probably ship after Samsung ships.
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Any ideea if the HDCP protocol can be updated via firmware/drivers? Does this mean that every pre- HDCP 2.2 UHD/4K display will be unable to show UHD/4K content that uses 2.2?

If the CE companies burn too many early adopters with this kind of crap they risk seriously pissing off the folks who should be the format's biggest advocates.

Cheers- #19
 
Yet another burn, how much rubbish is that, if true it means we should fund full page advertisements telling people not to buy any UHD TV on the shelf (except that Samsung) because they will all be useless, and somebody get on Good Morning America about it it, better Opera,, watch their sales plummet. Why bother to release TVs without it, or a suitable HDMI spec for computers or a mass market content engine, or TV broadcast support. It means you give the tele to the kids to play jerky games, and bluray fullhd, and buy a new one. But wait, there is more, the year after we might have something else that requires a third $10,000 TV (meanwhile the kids are wondering how they are going to fit another 85 inch TV in their bed room after they chucked out the wardrobes last time, and 90% of patents buying these should have realised they could have bought a investment apartment for their kids instead with $30k because they just aren't that rich :( ). Pathetic. 4k consumer cameras and h264 bluray and HDMI UHD p60 should have been out at release they had several years to release it. What a way to GREEDILY wreck a market yet again in a recession mind you, that would have been a good growth avenue at a time like this They want 100% of next to nothing rather than 10% of 90% which is a hundred times the sales. For those that don't know, 4k was ready proposed for release, in 2007, before the 3d debacle and should have come with.
 
Blair S. Paulsen said:
Any ideea if the HDCP protocol can be updated via firmware/drivers?
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I don't know, but I doubt it. Probably more like a board change, which Sony has offered on a couple displays.

So much is made from compromise these days. HDMI 2.x was a lot of compromise. BD 4k could be a result of compromise. I really like what Dolby is trying to do with Dolby Vision. They are trying to move forward by replacing the gamma curve with something that matches actual human vision. They want to go 12-bit 4:4:4. I really hope this makes it into 4k Blu-ray. Of course if it does, not sure how we will get that signal to the display with HDMI 2.

Spent this evening comparing the Sony VPL-VW500ES to the JVC X700 (pseudo 4k). We had a Sony media server and a REDRAY player. I encoded some test patterns for the REDRAY to evaluate the displays. The JVC did a lot better than I expected. It was softer than the Sony, but more subtle than I was expecting. Some of it was difficult to compare given the other image quality differences. I will say that the demo content on the REDRAY was SO MUCH BETTER than what was on the Sony media server.

Neither display could fully resolve the detail on my patterns. Typical LCOS artifacts. A 4k DLP can't come soon enough.

The contrast ratio on the JVC was better in darker scenes while the Sony was better in brighter scenes. We tested with and without the dynamic IRIS on both. The opening star field on Pacific Rim was flat on the Sony and almost 3D on the JVC. This was from the BD. I want to re-create that intro for my next calibration disc to help evaluate contrast ratio. The Sony had awful white field uniformity. Splotchy would be a good description.

The RR player was easier to operate and more reliable than the Sony. This was not the Sony puck, but the first version that worked on non-Sony displays. I do wish the RR UI filled up more of the screen instead of what looks like a 1080p image centered.

Text was a lot sharper / cleaner on the Sony. Until things like BT.2020, HDMI 2, HDCP 2.2, etc... are worked out, I can't see spending any money on a new display.
 
Stacey Spears said:
I don't know, but I doubt it. Probably more like a board change, which Sony has offered on a couple displays.

So much is made from compromise these days. HDMI 2.x was a lot of compromise. BD 4k could be a result of compromise. I really like what Dolby is trying to do with Dolby Vision. They are trying to move forward by replacing the gamma curve with something that matches actual human vision. They want to go 12-bit 4:4:4. I really hope this makes it into 4k Blu-ray. Of course if it does, not sure how we will get that signal to the display with HDMI 2.
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That is was of my old ancient design tricks, to replace the pixel values with values matched to human vision to save space (problem is that human vision does not move line rally, so while it is somewhat good for playback, you still need extra bits to color correct and post relight it properly). I timber I had one text that said tests revealed something like 355k colors we could see, but now we talk millions. Maybe those 355k colors were only detectable on one exposure/iris/ adaption level, meaning we need more than 19 bits for filming and to stop banding during playback, where as 12 bits 4;4:4 is 36 bits.
 
Stacey Spears said:
Typical LCOS artifacts. A 4k DLP can't come soon enough.
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For spatial resolution. Can't live with the native On-Off contrast of DLP, though. And with rainbows (3 chip is EXPENSIVE.). I'll take DILA/LCOS any day over DLP for my home cinema.
 
There is a 4k DLP, but can't even get them to reply about development kits for their basic DL P's.
 
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