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REDRAY Comments

Claus Mueller said:
It seems that h.265 will be the new standard for 4K internet delivery.

What can .red codec do better than h.265?
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I'd be surprised if the answer isn't "a lot" for big-screen delivery, like cinemas and high contrast boards...
 
Mark Pavy said:
Not be copied and freely distributed around the world by content thieving grubs.
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Hahahahaha

The "convoluted" vs "open" discussion all over.... :)

I would prefer Odemax to Youtube, though!

I really hope they get the distribution right, and can wait for that... :)
 
DRM and better for 'big screens' that's what I'd expect. But what's the difference on 4K TVs in terms of color and contrast?
 
The actual contrastlevels (not neccesarialy "ratio" but difference in lumens) should be a bit greater for a cinematic display, and thus the need for real precission is a lot higher.

Contrast seems to be one of the red projectors main perks, thus precission is very important.

Color subsampling isn't as much of an issue for big-screen or other display, as gradients are.
 
Will there be physical RedRay discs for purchase, like there are Blu-Ray discs?

I would love to have 4K Discs of my favorite movies.

Will there be a RedRay Disc Player?
 
Matt Ryan said:
Hisense 4K tv.
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You don't want one. Trust me. Saw one the other day and while they have the pixel count, they have the absolute worst internal processing and most terribly irregular edge-lit display with horrible contrast and color you have ever seen. I loves me some more pixels, but I'll take a quality 1080p panel for less money before I buy one of these. They're not doing the whole 4K/UHD movement any favors with these products. Sad, but true.

A source I trust who has seen the Hisense displays (and several others) at CES told me the Westinghouse ones were just as bad, quite possibly coming from the same manufacturing lines.

Of the ones I've seen with my own eyes, the Hisense are at the bottom of the heap and also have the lowest advertised price. For me, the top two are the LG and Toshiba 84" models. The Toshiba is tops, which surprises me, given their recent performance with TV's. I keep hearing the Samsung is just as good, possibly better, but I have yet to see one myself. The Sony has a more even LED backlight system than the LG does. The LG 84" I saw even had some light leaking in the corners, but I thought its color was a bit more pleasing than the Sony -- Sony had a slight yellow cast to it and the reds were too punchy. Could have just been the way it was adjusted. I want to see what Sharp pulls off with UHD. Their new 80" Quattron LED 1080p display just started shipping in Japan and it's crazy awesome (yes, I've seen it). A noticeable improvement over last year's already impressive model. The new one starts shipping here in the USA at the end of March -- official sales date is April 9th. I need to replace a 71" DLP that's got an all but non-working light engine in it. Want to go 4K, but it's probably going to be the new 80" Sharp... I don't think I can wait for 4K to replace this set and I'm not spending more than $5500 on a new TV. Especially when that means spending at least twice that to get something with more pixels, but inferior color, inferior backlight system and may not even be available...
 
Bob Gundu said:
Sergio, why not use the .RED codec?
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Well, mainly due to NLE integration. Would like to cook up an edit not only of hard cuts and simple dissolves, and integrate different source material in my 4K timeline... Still don't know if .red will allow encoding to it from different sources other than red footage? It probably does but will this be available on release?
 
Sergio,

RED has already stated on multiple occasions that you can encode to .RED from *ANY* source material, not just R3D sources. There should be encoder plugins for RC-X, Premiere, FCPX, Avid...
 
The LG's can look good Jeff , but be prepared to go through a bunch of them to land on one you are happy with. Right now there seems to be a tremendous amount of inconsistency with their panels. I know they are working on fixing that for round 2. The Sony and Toshiba are ahead of it by leaps and bounds in terms of image quality on the current version.. specially when you feed them all more than 8 bits.. you must of been looking at a Sony set that had some janky settings applied.
 
Jeff Kilgroe said:
Sergio,

RED has already stated on multiple occasions that you can encode to .RED from *ANY* source material, not just R3D sources. There should be encoder plugins for RC-X, Premiere, FCPX, Avid...
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Ok, a big, big misinformed blunder from me :) Thanks for the clarification Jeff. That was all I wanted to hear!
 
Jarred Land said:
The LG's can look good Jeff , but be prepared to go through a bunch of them to land on one you are happy with. Right now there seems to be a tremendous amount of inconsistency with their panels. I know they are working on fixing that for round 2. The Sony and Toshiba are ahead of it by leaps and bounds in terms of image quality on the current version.. specially when you feed them all more than 8 bits.. you must of been looking at a Sony set that had some janky settings applied.
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Good to know. That was my theory about the Sony, but it's hard to tell when I'll I've been able to do is look at them briefly, no hands-on or anything like that.

At any rate, my first 4K display system will probably be the REDRAY Projector! Hopefully. I'm ready for it whenever you guys are ready... Have walls on my new screening/coloring room framed up, but waiting on a few things, besides the projector, to finish it up. Will have at least a 10' wide screen, up to 13' wide. I'm kinda height-limited and some depends on how I step the seating. I guess I'm waiting on projector and screen specs among other things.
 
Martin Stevens said:
Will there be physical RedRay discs for purchase, like there are Blu-Ray discs?

I would love to have 4K Discs of my favorite movies.

Will there be a RedRay Disc Player?
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Is there a reason why I can not get an official answer to this question?

Sorry if it has been answered elsewhere.
 
Martin Stevens said:
Is there a reason why I can not get an official answer to this question?

Sorry if it has been answered elsewhere.
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Of course, not an "official" answer but... I have never, ever heard mention of a physical disc and/or player in all the talk of the last couple years. By now, I think we would know if that were to be an option.

I think physical discs, despite the existence of disc "enthusiasts" are due to become extinct. In this case, why not just store your media on thumb drives?
 
I don't believe the RedRay will use optical disc media. There is an internal hard drive, 1TB last I heard, that will allow you to keep content on board.

Bear in mind that even though you may not be able to play back .RED files from the desktop you can still manage/store content with your computer on regular hard drives. RedRay has wireless networking and a USB port so getting those .RED files played back should be simple enough.

Cheers - #19
 
I think RED made it clear that there will be no physical media for REDRAY, hey there is no drive in the player, how much more confirmation do you need? ;) It's all about streaming, download and storing to whatever media you want (not just the internal harddrive). I guess you can even burn it on a disc and connect a BD(XL)-drive, some weird people will probably start to make custom covers for REDRAY editions too... Hehe.

It's about time to get rid of the physical stuff, and i'm saying that as a collector of all kind of media from the past. It didn't work for me with all the other attempts of VOD-services, mainly due the lack of quality and ridiculous pricing, but REDRAY has finally the potential to be really a game changer. From everything i've read so far it's really attractive to me...

And hey, LaserDisc was the last medium that had really great physcial packaging and feeling, BD and DVD are nothing compared to real cool LD-Special Edition. ;)

BTW, Jarred, thanks for the updates!
 
"WILL THERE BE" is really more the point of my question about RedRay Discs.

I know the current player does not use DVD type flat discs.
 
Jeff Kilgroe said:
RED has already stated on multiple occasions that you can encode to .RED from *ANY* source material, not just R3D sources.
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Any is a big word. Out of the gate it will be DPX, TIFF & R3D it looks like.

Jeff Kilgroe said:
There should be encoder plugins for RC-X, Premiere, FCPX, Avid...
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We have not announced anything on this (outside RC-X, of course). Don't want to get people's hopes up.
 
So we have to first render out a Tiff or DPX sequence and then use RC-X to convert to .RED? That's a few too many steps for convenience... Having conversion from R3D files is not very practical is it? Most files will be going through CC in Davinci or similar.

Rob Lohman said:
Any is a big word. Out of the gate it will be DPX, TIFF & R3D it looks like.



We have not announced anything on this (outside RC-X, of course). Don't want to get people's hopes up.
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