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RED WEAPON - Info and Data Sheets

Vista Vision is perfect for me, my arri MP anamorphics should work great on this( I also have image circle extenders). This is a "dream come true" kind of scenario for me. I have read about this type of format for awhile from the ASC blogs(who btw also just drool on this format). If anyone wants me to test the anamorphics and extenders ... all they have to do is call and i will fly down immediately ;)
 
It seems to me, given Jarred's explanation of the overall RED upgrade paths being sensor change - body change - sensor change that the basic next phase Weapon upgrade will be a Body and electronics upgrade with the same Dragon sensor - where the body has incorporated improved layout, connectors, possibly built in function setup screen like on the Redmote, and the physical size/mounting capability for incorporating the Vista sensor in the future- and the internals will have some electronic improvements to give higher frame rates (and less compression) possibly some extended DR and lower power consumption due to internal electronic improvements (more advanced ASIC).

In other words the programs go like this:

Phase 1: R1 to
Phase 2: R1MX
Phase 3: Epic-X same sensor new body
Phase 4: Dragon sensor same body
Phase 5: Weapon same sensor new body
Phase 6: Weapon VV

Unless it isn't quite what he seemed to say in the original announcements that the initial Weapon upgrade would be just a body change not sensor change. (and it would seem a little silly to push people to upgrade to the dragon sensor in the next few weeks and then immediately turn around and say you are going to replace it with a different sensor.)

If it is the body/internal electronics upgrade I would hope it is in the $4-5K range (or less :wink5:) If it is a Vista/FF35 sized sensor for everyone then a Dragonish upgrade price would be in order.

Also seems that maybe most of the NAB upgrades would be the body change at a fairly easy to swallow upgrade price, with the option of going whole hog to the Vista sensor only in the Carbon model for the much higher price (similar to the Epic-M program but with a new sensor this time) and this may make sense if current yields are fairly low - then down the road we all get the option to upgrade to Vista Weapon sensor and electronics at a price similar to the Dragon upgrade.
 
Michael Hastings said:
It seems to me, given Jarred's explanation of the overall RED upgrade paths being sensor change - body change - sensor change that the basic next phase Weapon upgrade will be a Body and electronics upgrade with the same Dragon sensor - where the body has incorporated improved layout, connectors, possibly built in function setup screen like on the Redmote, and the physical size/mounting capability for the Vista sensor - and the internals will have some electronic improvements to give higher frame rates (and less compression) possibly some extended DR and lower power consumption due to internal electronic improvements (more advanced ASIC).



In other words the programs go like this:

Phase 1 R1 to Phase 2: R1MX - to Phase 3: Epic-X same sensor new body - to Phase 4: Dragon sensor same body - to Phase 5: Weapon same sensor new body - Phase 6 Weapon VV

Unless it isn't quite what he seemed to say in the original announcements that the initial Weapon upgrade would be just a body change not sensor change (and it would seem a little silly to push people to upgrade to the dragon sensor in the next few weeks and then immediately turn around and say you are going to replace it with a different sensor.)

If it is the body/internal electronics upgrade I would hope it is in the $4-5K range (or less :wink5:) If it is a Vista/FF35 sized sensor then a Dragonish upgrade price would be in order.

Also seems that maybe most of the NAB upgrades would be the body change at a fairly easy to swallow upgrade price, with the option of going whole hog to the Vista sensor only in the Carbon model for the much higher price (similar to the Epic-M program but with a new sensor this time) and this may make sense if current yields are fairly low - then down the road we all get the option to upgrade to Vista Weapon sensor and electronics at a price similar to the Dragon upgrade.
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I'm thinking along these same lines.
 
Michael Hastings said:
It seems to me, given Jarred's explanation of the overall RED upgrade paths being sensor change - body change - sensor change that the basic next phase Weapon upgrade will be a Body and electronics upgrade with the same Dragon sensor - where the body has incorporated improved layout, connectors, possibly built in function setup screen like on the Redmote, and the physical size/mounting capability for the Vista sensor - and the internals will have some electronic improvements to give higher frame rates (and less compression) possibly some extended DR and lower power consumption due to internal electronic improvements (more advanced ASIC).

In other words the programs go like this:

Phase 1 R1 to Phase 2: R1MX - to Phase 3: Epic-X same sensor new body - to Phase 4: Dragon sensor same body - to Phase 5: Weapon same sensor new body - Phase 6 Weapon VV

Unless it isn't quite what he seemed to say in the original announcements that the initial Weapon upgrade would be just a body change not sensor change (and it would seem a little silly to push people to upgrade to the dragon sensor in the next few weeks and then immediately turn around and say you are going to replace it with a different sensor.)

If it is the body/internal electronics upgrade I would hope it is in the $4-5K range (or less :wink5:) If it is a Vista/FF35 sized sensor then a Dragonish upgrade price would be in order.

Also seems that maybe most of the NAB upgrades would be the body change at a fairly easy to swallow upgrade price, with the option of going whole hog to the Vista sensor only in the Carbon model for the much higher price (similar to the Epic-M program but with a new sensor this time) and this may make sense if current yields are fairly low - then down the road we all get the option to upgrade to Vista Weapon sensor and electronics at a price similar to the Dragon upgrade.
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This.

Edit: I'm betting that basic body upgrade price will be juuuuust a little bit higher than 4-5K.
 
Joe Kleber said:
This.

Edit: I'm betting that basic body upgrade price will be juuuuust a little bit higher than 4-5K.
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You're probably right, but can hope. But I'm also not sure it needs to be from a manufacturing cost standpoint if the volume is high enough.
 
Michael Hastings said:
If it is the body/internal electronics upgrade I would hope it is in the $4-5K range (or less :wink5:) If it is a Vista/FF35 sized sensor for everyone then a Dragonish upgrade price would be in order.

Also seems that maybe most of the NAB upgrades would be the body change at a fairly easy to swallow upgrade price, with the option of going whole hog to the Vista sensor only in the Carbon model for the much higher price (similar to the Epic-M program but with a new sensor this time) and this may make sense if current yields are fairly low - then down the road we all get the option to upgrade to Vista Weapon sensor and electronics at a price similar to the Dragon upgrade.
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I'm thinking similar, but a bit more K$ and under 9 for the body only upgrade.

If it is only $5K, wow! That may be close to giving them away at/below cost...
Perhaps that could be a NAB only deal for existing Dragon owners...

Enough speculation from me! we'll all know soon enough.
 
I'm assuming the upgrade cost is at least $9,500. Just as other upgrades have been (Scarlet to Epic, MX to Dragon). I'm guessing the Vista Vision is significantly more - twice that at least? $19,000?
 
Nick Morrison said:
I'm assuming the upgrade cost is at least $9,500. Just as other upgrades have been (Scarlet to Epic, MX to Dragon). I'm guessing the Vista Vision is significantly more - twice that at least? $19,000?
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for the VV sensor, absolutely more... most likely quite a lot more!

I meant just the body upgrade; perhaps a good chunk of the internals from Dragon carry-over w/ the sensor.
...perhaps what was meant by the "save a big chunk" phrasing by upgrading an existing dragon.

...and in addition to the NAB pre-order credit deal.

Jarred Land said:
... As long as you are a Dragon owner before NAB, you will get a nice chunk of change back to continue along the journey.
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Daniel Reed said:
for the VV sensor, absolutely more... most likely quite a lot more!

I meant just the body upgrade; perhaps a good chunk of the internals from Dragon carry-over w/ the sensor.
...perhaps what was meant by the "save a big chunk" phrasing by upgrading an existing dragon.
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Weapon looks like a whole new cam, with all new internals. I'm guessing the boards/internals have much more horespower. I don't think it wil be cheap (like 5K).
 
Nick Morrison said:
Weapon looks like a whole new cam, with all new internals. I'm guessing the boards/internals have much more horespower. I don't think it wil be cheap (like 5K).
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Either way, I'm all in!
 
Phil Holland said:
No. Because there is also a path for Scarlet Dragon owners, which is awesome if you remember that at one point Scarlet Dragon was supposed to be "end of the line".
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You didn't get the point. Your statement is mixing up cameras and sensors.

Dragon is not going anywhere and is going to be part of the line for a long while:

You can put Scarlet next to Epic if you feel better but there isn't a body called Dragon.


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Of course we are... Epic Dragon and Scarlet Dragon will remain in the line for quite some time.
 
Nick Morrison said:
I'm assuming the upgrade cost is at least $9,500. Just as other upgrades have been (Scarlet to Epic, MX to Dragon). I'm guessing the Vista Vision is significantly more - twice that at least? $19,000?
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That's exactly what I'm putting into my budget. I'll probably only be able to afford one VV camera, i might keep my 2nd as a epic dragon depending on the upgrade to weapon cost. I do like two camera coverage but VV gets so wide it's often hard to setup the 2nd camera anyway. I am just so ridiculously excited on the VV format, I think it will fit both of our lens collections perfectly.
 
PatrickFaith said:
That's exactly what I'm putting into my budget. I'll probably only be able to afford one VV camera, i might keep my 2nd as a epic dragon depending on the upgrade to weapon cost. I do like two camera coverage but VV gets so wide it's often hard to setup the 2nd camera anyway. I am just so ridiculously excited on the VV format, I think it will fit both of our lens collections perfectly.
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Totally agreed. I hope RED offers a "keep your Epic Dragon" upgrade path so owners can keep their Epic Dragons (as B cams) and pay a bit more their Weapons (as their A Cam)....I believe RED offered that back in the day during the RED ONE MX to Epic upgrade path?
 
Any mention of power input?
It doesn't seem too top secret to spill whether the lemo power cables on existing 3rd party battery plates would work on Weapon.
 
Uh oh!
 

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Akin A said:
Any mention of power input?
It doesn't seem too top secret to spill whether the lemo power cables on existing 3rd party battery plates would work on Weapon.
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yup your fine. Same.
 
Jarred, any chance of a side handle with the old form factor (current form factor), adapted, of course, to scale of the new weapon? I love mine, my favourite module of the whole current DSMC...
 
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