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Picture of a Weapon

Wait am minute, if FF 35-135 still film is 36mm x 24mm and Vista Vision is 37.72mm x 24.92mm (numbers from Phil's chart), what lenses will cover a Vista sensor? Certainly not FF lenses. Maybe anamorphics? Maybe we should blow the dust off the old medium format lenses, or just maybe (super wild guess coming here) there is a new lens offering from RED, I'm just guessing here.

BTW thanks for all those charts Phil, you should put out a book, I'd buy one.
 
R. Gonzales said:
Wait am minute, if FF 35-135 still film is 36mm x 24mm and Vista Vision is 37.72mm x 24.92mm (numbers from Phil's chart), what lenses will cover a Vista sensor? Certainly not FF lenses. Maybe anamorphics? Maybe we should blow the dust off the old medium format lenses, or just maybe (super wild guess coming here) there is a new lens offering from RED, I'm just guessing here.

BTW thanks for all those charts Phil, you should put out a book, I'd buy one.
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IIRC, the active film area of Vista is smaller than 37x24... it's 36 x 18 (or something) and we only need to cover that...
 
R. Gonzales said:
Wait am minute, if FF 35-135 still film is 36mm x 24mm and Vista Vision is 37.72mm x 24.92mm (numbers from Phil's chart), what lenses will cover a Vista sensor? Certainly not FF lenses. Maybe anamorphics? Maybe we should blow the dust off the old medium format lenses, or just maybe (super wild guess coming here) there is a new lens offering from RED, I'm just guessing here.

BTW thanks for all those charts Phil, you should put out a book, I'd buy one.
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Heh. Anytime. Don't worry about too much yet. Specifics are still "not known". Everything will be known in about 457 hours.
 
R. Gonzales said:
Wait am minute, if FF 35-135 still film is 36mm x 24mm and Vista Vision is 37.72mm x 24.92mm (numbers from Phil's chart), what lenses will cover a Vista sensor? Certainly not FF lenses. Maybe anamorphics? Maybe we should blow the dust off the old medium format lenses, or just maybe (super wild guess coming here) there is a new lens offering from RED, I'm just guessing here.

BTW thanks for all those charts Phil, you should put out a book, I'd buy one.
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Im pretty sure Full Frame glass will cover fine...
 
Something that should be said. RED really, really has paved the road for multi-format digital cinema cameras.
 
Phil Holland said:
Something that should be said. RED really, really has paved the road for multi-format digital cinema cameras.
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They have - but they haven't (yet) made the camera I want; the 4K S16 camera. The one that gives Red raw recording in a camera the size of an A7S, so frugal on power you can shoot all day on a single brick, you can throw it in a backpack with an Angie 12-240mm, or a dirt cheap set of S16 superspeeds, and go *make movies*.

Mike
 
R. Gonzales said:
Wait am minute, if FF 35-135 still film is 36mm x 24mm and Vista Vision is 37.72mm x 24.92mm (numbers from Phil's chart), what lenses will cover a Vista sensor? Certainly not FF lenses. Maybe anamorphics? Maybe we should blow the dust off the old medium format lenses, or just maybe (super wild guess coming here) there is a new lens offering from RED, I'm just guessing here.

BTW thanks for all those charts Phil, you should put out a book, I'd buy one.
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I guess they somehow managed to shoot Vista Vision back in the day... :)

But a 24 FF lens would be pretty wide in this format. Just sayin'
 
Mike 'Fireman' Ross said:
They have - but they haven't (yet) made the camera I want; the 4K S16 camera. The one that gives Red raw recording in a camera the size of an A7S, so frugal on power you can shoot all day on a single brick, you can throw it in a backpack with an Angie 12-240mm, or a dirt cheap set of S16 superspeeds, and go *make movies*.
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I'm with you! But right now I hope that the new camera body will be below 1.5 kilogramms. Exciting time!
 
Do you guys think the VV is optional, like a high end version, or would all Weapon cameras come with it?
 
I hope this new sensor won't be exclusive to just Carbon Weapon.
 
Demetri Zuev said:
I hope this new sensor won't be exclusive to just Carbon Weapon.
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I've seen a few people wondering about this and I have no idea why. It's a no brainer, and the answer is NO.

Epic-X has exactly the same spec as Epic-M
Dragon has exactly the same spec as Carbon Dragon
Weapon will have exactly the same spec as Carbon Weapon

Those who need a special lightweight expensive body material are vastly outnumbered by those who just need a box that does the job, at whatever spec level. There might well be more than one version of Weapon; maybe base Weapon and Nuclear Weapon or something, I dunno, with different technical specs - maybe think of it as Weapon and Scarlet Weapon if that's easier. But Carbon will just be a body option, perhaps on all Weapons, perhaps on just the highest spec version.

There are a LOT of people who will happily pay the price for a bigger sensor or higher frame rates or whatever, but will, frankly, laugh if you ask them to pay even more for a carbon fiber body they don't need or want.

Mike
 
Demetri Zuev said:
I hope this new sensor won't be exclusive to just Carbon Weapon.
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Pure speculation...

I have a strong hunch all weapon models will do VV at the same ratios;
Speed(HFR)/weight may be the main differentiating factors this round (not frame size).
 
But didn't Jarred say that this time the CF would do more? Maybe it's just higher frame rates, due to better cooling.
 
Mike 'Fireman' Ross said:
I've seen a few people wondering about this and I have no idea why. It's a no brainer, and the answer is NO.

Epic-X has exactly the same spec as Epic-M
Dragon has exactly the same spec as Carbon Dragon
Weapon will have exactly the same spec as Carbon Weapon

Those who need a special lightweight expensive body material are vastly outnumbered by those who just need a box that does the job, at whatever spec level. There might well be more than one version of Weapon; maybe base Weapon and Nuclear Weapon or something, I dunno, with different technical specs - maybe think of it as Weapon and Scarlet Weapon if that's easier. But Carbon will just be a body option, perhaps on all Weapons, perhaps on just the highest spec version.

There are a LOT of people who will happily pay the price for a bigger sensor or higher frame rates or whatever, but will, frankly, laugh if you ask them to pay even more for a carbon fiber body they don't need or want.

Mike
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Jared has indicated that Carbon Weapon will do more - no indication what that is yet; but the specs will be different.
 
Nick Morrison said:
Also - Jarred confirmed on FB...the name "Weapon" is derived from "Vista Vision"...the two "V"s make a W! Jay Kim figured it out!!
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Then the cool thing would have been to just call it W - for VV - but say that at RED they like to call it Weapon.

Everybody would have drunk the cool aid on that including us Europeans. Especially when it gets known why.
 
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