EPIC... ready.

[David Stewart]

100,001 views. Very good news.

 

[Ketch Rossi]

100,001 views. Very good news.

Sorry but you miss read the views 134,905 and climbing..

 

[Justin R Goff]

Congratulations on the milestone. It must feel great. I'm looking forward to the test footage.

I very much am as well. Speaking of footage from the EPIC what post production software will I be able to use for 5K RAW (Full Frame, 2:1, 2.4:1 and Anamorphic 2:1) or 4.5K RAW (2.4:1) from the EPIC? Can the current versions of FCP or CS5 handle resolutions this high? Also, what are all of your thoughts on the amount of processing power needed to handle editing and even color correcting this footage?

 

[Antonio Forjaz]

REDRocket

REDRocket

I very much am as well. Speaking of footage from the EPIC what post production software will I be able to use for 5K RAW (Full Frame, 2:1, 2.4:1 and Anamorphic 2:1) or 4.5K RAW (2.4:1) from the EPIC? Can the current versions of FCP or CS5 handle resolutions this high? Also, what are all of your thoughts on the amount of processing power needed to handle editing and even color correcting this footage?

From what I know, it is just like the RED One, use the REDRocket and it works fine....

 

[Justin R Goff]

Excellent!! That would be amazing, no need to upgrade or wait for new software. What about hardware though? Any thoughts?

 

[Stephen Gentle]

I very much am as well. Speaking of footage from the EPIC what post production software will I be able to use for 5K RAW (Full Frame, 2:1, 2.4:1 and Anamorphic 2:1) or 4.5K RAW (2.4:1) from the EPIC? Can the current versions of FCP or CS5 handle resolutions this high? Also, what are all of your thoughts on the amount of processing power needed to handle editing and even color correcting this footage?

I'm not sure about Premiere, but Colour (and maybe FCP, but not sure) has a size limit of 4096 x 2304 pixels. But a new version should be around in the first half of next year so hopefully the limit is increased.

 

[scott william]

i imagine Adobe will be right on it!

 

[Kyle Wright]

Speaking of footage from the EPIC what post production software will I be able to use for 5K RAW (Full Frame, 2:1, 2.4:1 and Anamorphic 2:1) or 4.5K RAW (2.4:1) from the EPIC? Can the current versions of FCP or CS5 handle resolutions this high??

The current Premiere CS5 can handle sequence sizes of 10,240×8,192 and can import video up to 256 megapixels (with a max of 32,768 pixels in either direction). So plenty of room for RED to grow in that environment (bring on a 10K IMAX-sized RED sensor!). Now whether your hardware can process all that is another matter entirely.

info obtained here: http://blogs.adobe.com/premiereprotraining/2010/07/maximum_dimensions_in_premiere.html

 

[Christoffer Glans]

I very much am as well. Speaking of footage from the EPIC what post production software will I be able to use for 5K RAW (Full Frame, 2:1, 2.4:1 and Anamorphic 2:1) or 4.5K RAW (2.4:1) from the EPIC? Can the current versions of FCP or CS5 handle resolutions this high? Also, what are all of your thoughts on the amount of processing power needed to handle editing and even color correcting this footage?

Since Avid scales it down to 1080p, Avid should be able to edit it natively.
Premiere should be the first to get native 5K support. Adobe seems to be pretty fast when it comes to adding support. FCP I don't know, I'm not so into it, but isn't their native support capable of whatever resolution?

All this depends on the R3D codec being the same. The mysterium material from Red One wasn't any different from the older builds when importing into Avid or Premiere.

 

[Justin R Goff]

The current Premiere CS5 can handle sequence sizes of 10,240×8,192 and can import video up to 256 megapixels (with a max of 32,768 pixels in either direction). So plenty of room for RED to grow in that environment (bring on a 10K IMAX-sized RED sensor!). Now whether your hardware can process all that is another matter entirely.

info obtained here: http://blogs.adobe.com/premiereprotraining/2010/07/maximum_dimensions_in_premiere.html

First of all thank you all for your feedback!

Also Kyle, you raise an interesting point with CS5. From other post with software max resolutions, CS5 seems it could greatly surpass others, which allows great flexibility for changing technology (smart coding). At face value this would show a great advantage to use this workflow.

I admit I am not that familiar with CS5, 99% of my past work was done with FCP. But after seeing the last upgrade of Final Cut Studio lacking in authoring capability for Blu-Ray and growing positive feedback from CS5 it would seem trends are changing... Don't get me wrong I really enjoy FCP, however I also understand that apple makes most of their money with consumer goods, so its not surprising that their primary focus seems to be on those products. I am wondering if apple is as enthusiastically in the game as much as they were. FCP seemed to be a very popular early on with supporting the RED ONE. Do you think it could be CS5 for the EPIC this time?

I am curious to what you would think of the pros or cons between CS5 and FCP in a quickly changing world of video technology. Who do you feel be will be the post-production leader in this on going revolution in digital cinema?

 

[Cory Petkovsek]

Do you think it could be CS5 for the EPIC this time?

After Effects is great; stable and great results, even on low resources. (Not an NLE but you mentioned CS5).
Premier is terrible; highly unstable unless given many resources, and even then??
Vegas is highly stable even on low resources.

All three support editing R3Ds natively. You were quoted max sizes for premier. The documentation specifically mentions 4.5K footage; elsewhere it says "and beyond". AE allows for something like 30k by 30k. Vegas is currently limited to 4k by 4k. However by the time the cameras are actually available, or shortly after, it is likely Sony and Apple will release patches to up the limit.

You might download a trial of Premier, but I wouldn't recommend migrating to it from FCP.

Regarding apple, they are a hardware company. Any software they release is to facilitate the purchase of their ridiculously expensive hardware. Their hardware is twice the price of PC counterparts (which can run OSX and FCP). Yet their excellent marketing continues to further the insatiability of hardware in their followers.

Cory

 

[Rudi Herbert]

Premier is terrible; highly unstable unless given many resources, and even then??

You must be repeating what you've heard others say or are still stuck with the memories of old Premiere versions. That is NOT the case at all with CS5, Premiere is very stable, easy to use and FAST, you can finish editing a ton of clips with a ton of effects while FCP is still converting to QT, the only reason is so "stable. Your assessment about the desirability of Apple hardware is however, spot on.

 

[patrick G]

now if there were only a layaway plan so all those pennies I'm saving up could go straight toward my Epic! haha. This is really exciting news!

 

[Stephen Smith]

Ive kind of been out of the loop lately... When will you guys be accepting reservations for the Epic? This 28 grand has been burning a hole in my pocket

 

[Jeffrey T. Morgan]

Personally I am a huge FCP supporter, but am being seduced by Premiere. I find both very stable and great to use, but CS5's integration of programs just puts FCS (Final Cut Studio) integration to shame. So that coupled with being able to build a computer has me eyeballing CS5 for now, then maybe back to FCS in spring if they get their act together, and if not, then a Mac version of CS5.

The combination of Windows 7 being FAR less evil than Vista, and Apple not being to worried with leading the way with pro NLE software anymore has really shifted things.

Vegas has always been a brutally painful experience, especially taking other peoples projects for color correction. I can't express the pain of Vegas enough, lol.

Just my 2 cents.

 

[Michael Olsen]

Unless I'm mistaken, there isn't anything stopping someone from opening an account with RED and depositing their EPIC savings to create a significant positive balance that could be immediately applied to a reservation/purchase when that time comes.

 

[Maz Mawlawi]

After Effects is great; stable and great results, even on low resources. (Not an NLE but you mentioned CS5).
Premier is terrible; highly unstable unless given many resources, and even then??
Cory

Have you really used Premiere CS5???...Our whole studio switched from FCP to CS5 with no stability issues whatsoever. FCP seems so outdated now in comparison to CS5 and not having to transcode ANYTHING is awesome. You can throw R3ds, MXF, mov, avi, psd sequences etc.. on the same timeline and it just works...try doing that in FCP (which requires everything to be in quicklime format...)
At the rate that Adobe is updating its software, I think Cs5 will be a good choice for the Epic....and don't forget that you can run CS5 on both Windows and Mac....thus not locking you into a specific OS...

 

[Michael Hastings]

Unless I'm mistaken, there isn't anything stopping someone from opening an account with RED and depositing their EPIC savings to create a significant positive balance that could be immediately applied to a reservation/purchase when that time comes.

You can do the same with my company - happy to take your money on deposit that you can apply anytime To a future purchase - pm for wire info :drool:

Seriously, I think he wants to know when u can actually make a reservation/place in line.

 

[Greg Starr]

Premiere CS5 is by far the most advanced NLE out of FCP, Vegas, Edius and, of course Premiere currently. It works natively with AVCHD, it works natively with most everything else, it takes many different resolutions, makes use of CUDA acceleration via the Mercury Playback Engine (which is amazing), and has a neat, clear upgrade path and native integration with other Adobe software. Since most people are going to get After Effects and probably photoshop anyway, it makes a lot of sense to ge the Production Premium bundle. You'll save a lot of money, and get more for it. Yes, color is great, but most people don't really need it, and for those that do DaVinci Resolve is now available for under $1,000. Premiere CS5 is fantastic.

 

[David Rasberry]

Actually Mac Pro workstations are quite price competitive with PC's IF you compare similar hardware implementations: server grade motherboards, Xeon processors, ECC ram, etc. But they are still limited on graphics card support compared to the PC world.