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Competition to guess Scarlet's features and price-tag!!! (FREE post for indi short!)

2k (most probably scaled down mysterium)
variable frame rates
4:4:4
inbuilt nd filters
solid state card recording (main drive)
red rails to hold a bigger battery and red drive (as an extension if somebody wants)
2 pro audio out
one mini anudio out
red code raw
one lens with the camera (detachable) + more lenses in the future
fully manual settings
viewfinder (with sockets to attach lcd seperately if one wants to buy)
 
This guy with the giant logo is causing trouble...
Mods ? :usd:
 
Avatar envy is a gateway to heavier drugs...
 
I'll repost what I posted on the other threads with perhaps an adjusted price.

1) 3K (and 2K cropped)
2) Nikon Mount (No Lens Included)
3) Variable fraterates (100 +)
4) Records to Compact Flash
5) Records Redcode RAW

6) $5995
 
HDR motion capture camera

Comes with Nikon DX mount

2k red code raw

Price $3200
 
everyone has already said everything that i would have said, if i was thinking inside the box, so i'm thinking outside, just for fun....

1) i'm betting that jim is getting tired carrying a fully rigged RED with a 300mm lens and also his canon 1DsMarkII --- so he is creating the perfect hybridized video camera/dSLR, the one that lets you carry one camera to do both things equally well, without sacrifice.

2) 2K video camera that lets you shoot 4:2:2 video
3)...and 10 megapixel or better stills
4) interchangeable lens mount - an inveterate lens junkie is not going to mount up a fixed lens and limit the options
5) its form factor will more closely resemble a still camera than any video camera that we have seen to date, boxy like a Canon 5D....to fit in a pocket and let you balance it on a Wimberley head or tripod mount it to the lens, like a still camera but shoot it like video....
 
planet e said:
everyone has already said everything that i would have said, if i was thinking inside the box, so i'm thinking outside, just for fun....

1) i'm betting that jim is getting tired carrying a fully rigged RED with a 300mm lens and also his canon 1DsMarkII --- so he is creating the perfect hybridized video camera/dSLR, the one that lets you carry one camera to do both things equally well, without sacrifice.

2) 2K video camera that lets you shoot 4:2:2 video
3)...and 10 megapixel or better stills
4) interchangeable lens mount - an inveterate lens junkie is not going to mount up a fixed lens and limit the options
5) its form factor will more closely resemble a still camera than any video camera that we have seen to date, boxy like a Canon 5D....to fit in a pocket and let you balance it on a Wimberley head or tripod mount it to the lens, like a still camera but shoot it like video....
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You might be onto something here...

It will make sense using the Mysterium (or updated reincarnation) in Scarlet for capturing full-res stills, while the "pocket" size limits the internal storage (read RAID speed), therefore allowing to capture "only" 2K while in "cinema" mode...

Having said that - I had back in 2002 working prototype capturing video to (computer) DRAM modules at 200 fps ("hybrid SD" @ 854x480) without compression. With todays SDRAM's exceeding 8GB and prices plummeting down one could get something like 32GB inside a "pocket" camera easily handling 2K at 120 fps or more. However SDRAM is way more expensive (because is way faster) then SSD's and the biggest issue is that need to be powered, or it looses its content...

But I certainly like the idea for having one camera doing both stills and video (film) without compromising either. I do use my battery of Canon L-glass for both my still cameras and video, but have to carry the bodies of both types with me - not to mention the assortment of accessories...

Since Jim has ton of the best glass from Canon (including one of the 1200mm - only about 10 of these are out there in the wild...) - I hope there will be option for Canon mount (and others - don't wanna get stoned by Nikon-otaku's :ninja: )...
 
1) 4K cmos (most of processing on reverse side of chip)
2) 1 digital i/o
3) recofigurable lens mount
4) Mainly targeted for use in effects and industry/specialised coomercial apps
5) 5 1/2" chooped version of Red One
6) $8990.00
 
humm .. a wild guess
reel stream (andromeda/scuptureHD) had something to with it ???
 
Trevor Meier said:
It'll be RED's first GREEN camera - powered completely by hand-crank (licensed from Kinetta of course)
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hehehe... but now I seriously got to thinking...

Any way to actually get hand-cranked filming maybe? (for all those that wanna do Tony Scott-Jerkyness:biggrin: )

I mean... slaving framerate to a jog-wheel or something... should be easy to do I reckon... as an add on with the right firmware enableds, right? y'know... RedCrank? ;)

If scarlet's under 5 grand I'll start saving right now...
 
That S8 style cam would be a Dream Machine for many people.

Jim has said it won't compete with the ONE, which keeps leading me back to a fixed lens device... it's the only real way to ensure that the product wouldn't cannibalize ONE sales.

The "new product category" comments have also been pretty interesting, and in line with your S8 idea. Right now the prosumer cameras are very strong, but aren't truly "pro" in design or execution. If a smallish fixed lens device can deliver Red-quality 2k images in a small form factor (and I may have already jumped the shark right there) at a $5-$10k price point (perhaps even more jumping?) Red will have an enormous hit on their hands.

Furthermore, such a device will begin to make Redcode a much more ubiquitous format, which will lead to more One sales as filmmakers come up having learned how to do great work on Scarlet.
 
RidleyGriff said:
That S8 style cam would be a Dream Machine for many people.
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I like that too...

RidleyGriff said:
Jim has said it won't compete with the ONE, which keeps leading me back to a fixed lens device... it's the only real way to ensure that the product wouldn't cannibalize ONE sales.
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One of the things Jim also mentioned is that it will render obsolesce obsolete - now fixed-lens camera somehow does not fit in that scenario. Also I don't know of any "PRO" cine-camera that has a fixed lens. Many people expect it to have interchangeable lens-mounts, yet there are plenty who still wants RED ONE regardless of Scarlet - just see this:

http://www.reduser.net/forum/showthread.php?t=11180

RidleyGriff said:
The "new product category" comments have also been pretty interesting, and in line with your S8 idea. Right now the prosumer cameras are very strong, but aren't truly "pro" in design or execution. If a smallish fixed lens device can deliver Red-quality 2k images in a small form factor (and I may have already jumped the shark right there) at a $5-$10k price point (perhaps even more jumping?) Red will have an enormous hit on their hands.
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Huge part of what gives "quality" to cinematic images is the glass. This will again go against the idea of fixed-lens...

RidleyGriff said:
Furthermore, such a device will begin to make Redcode a much more ubiquitous format, which will lead to more One sales as filmmakers come up having learned how to do great work on Scarlet.
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You are right, but same will apply to interchangeable-lens model. The key here is going to be modularity and pro quality in a very affordable price-range...
 
the thing that impresses me most about RED is that, regardless of its bugs or its flaws or its quirks (mini connectors, anyone?), you can still see the intelligence behind the design. what RED has done is say, "Let's re-think everything, no stone unturned, from the ground up, start fresh" instead of attempting to improve on existing models.

i think that SCARLET will also be a total re-think, not a dumbed-down RED or an EX-1/HVX killer. jim mentioned that this was the "most interesting" project that he had worked on, and a visionary is not going to be satisfied by re-packaging the existing thinking, even his own, into something smaller.

there's no way to reconcile his comments about how SCARLET "won't compete" with RED ONE just by offering a smaller package, unless it does something different. he is more about inventing spaces than competing in spaces, and i don't think he would bother with SCARLET unless it was inventing a space. just as he invented the 4K mass market, he is going to invent something new with SCARLET...that's why i'm pounding the table on an industry-defining still/video hybrid.

to stay with the thread's format, so as not to stray too far from the original contest

1) won't compete with RED ONE
2) won't be whatever we think it is
3) fits the apparent half-joke about a Motion Capture Camera
4) invents a new market for a not yet fully imagined user base
5) has the capacity to sell a lot more RED-developed lenses, RED gets focused on for its value as a recording device, but they are certainly revolutionizing the high-end lens industry and stand to sell a lot more of these than they will cameras

Ultimately they will be a lens company as much as a camera company, probably this will become the weightier part of their business model...you can make a camera that will "render obsolescence obsolete" but we lens junkies will always be adding and trading around good glass...

i just don't think RED is going to sink a bunch of R&D into developing lens technologies and then add a fixed lens...

6) the SCARLET hybrid will be able to be used by still photogs, as an indie filmmaker's 2K dream, and also by RED ONE users to mount on cranes or in tight spaces, as a 2K B-roll cam. it will have multi-use flexibility while creating a whole new market of users.

everyone will be happy.

plus, he has said that he will be able to produce these at scale from the get-go, and that will probably mean partnering with someone bigger.

where do i go to collect my prize?

if this isn't SCARLET, then maybe jim will have to start a project called VERMILLION or TERRA COTTA or PINK or RUBY....someone better start trademarking like crazy...
 
A VERY wild stab in the dark--

It's nothing but a CMOS imaging block with an interchangeable lens mount and a firewire 800 or ESATA port. The camera connects straight into a laptop, which handles all the compression and capturing.
 
the Man already said it was gonna do Raw!!! :shiftyph34r:

2k
s16
variable
interchangeable
$10.000 is a prize in itself
 
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