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  • Hey all, just changed over the backend after 15 years I figured time to give it a bit of an update, its probably gonna be a bit weird for most of you and i am sure there is a few bugs to work out but it should kinda work the same as before... hopefully :)

4K Monitors...

The big question I have now for RED, is if it's possible to get 4K monitoring and playback out of the EPIC? Will we be able to get a 3840x2160 output via HDMI to drive these new display options? I assume it's possible via an add-on module at some point, but curious if the onboard HDMI is capable of it and upgradeable to do it.
 
RayFrisby said:
Looks like Panasonic have just got on board the 4K x 2K Monitor bandwagon with a 20" display, (may be a nice on-set directors monitor?

http://www.engadget.com/2012/01/09/panasonic-outs-worlds-smallest-and-thinnest-4k-x-2k-ips-lcd-m/

Now all we need is a 30- 40" reasonably priced monitor for post work. No price so far for the 20"so far.
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"Pana has been showing off increasingly smaller 4k displays at CES for the past 4 years.
They've never released any actual product." :wink5:
 
Lewis,

I love to tell this story... I was hiking and shooting footage in the Grand Tetons in October of 2008... I was using another brand of camera, when I stumbled upon an elderly couple also shooting... I was blown away that they had a Red One. As I gushed over not only their camera, but the newly released Red color viewfinder, they began asking me some questions... (they realized this was the business in which I worked...) The lady said "You look like you know what you're doing over there... we just got this thing, and it's great... although we don't know what some of the parts are, like these silver sticks... have no idea what to do with those... By any chance do you know what 'Hud-sah-dee' is?"
ME: "Hud-say-dee? Nope, I'm afraid I don't know what that is... sorry."
Lady: "Well it was worth a try... we can't figure that out..." (as she pointed to the right side of the camera.

Curious, I went over to examine a little closer... it hit me!

Me: (Laughing) "That's not hud-say-dee.... that's H D, S D I! "
Lady: "Do what?"
Me: "HDSDI - it stands for High Definition Serial Digital Interface!"
Lady: "OK... what's that for?"
Me: "So you can hook up a monitor to the camera!"
Lady: "Why on Earth would you ever want to do that?"

I just smiled, waved and went on my way... just proves that even though you can afford great gear, doesn't mean you should BUY it! Especially if you don't know how to use it...
 
L. Langer said:
Sony does not use it, as their products incorporate a single 4K LCOS panel, manufactured in-house.
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OK, missed that. So not all the LCOS systems are pixel-shifted...

I'm holding out for a laser one though. ;)
 
Jeff Kilgroe said:
OK, missed that. So not all the LCOS systems are pixel-shifted...

I'm holding out for a laser one though. ;)
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Yup, they have had full 4K chips from the get-go in their DC projectors and the eventual shrinking made it feasible to use in consumer products, which is what you saw in the old 4K SXRD displays that they showed off several years ago at CES, and the current 4K consumer projector they sell. Sony is also working on some sort of new LED refinement for 4K TVs that is easier to design and build in their current factories than OLED and they have a prototype display at this year's CES.
 
Jeff Kilgroe said:
The big question I have now for RED, is if it's possible to get 4K monitoring and playback out of the EPIC? Will we be able to get a 3840x2160 output via HDMI to drive these new display options? I assume it's possible via an add-on module at some point, but curious if the onboard HDMI is capable of it and upgradeable to do it.
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No, the HDMI output on EPIC / Scarlet is 1.3 so max resolution of 1080p @ 60fps.

But as you suggest there could be a future I/O module to offer this if there is demand for it.
 
Stuart English said:
No, the HDMI output on EPIC / Scarlet is 1.3 so max resolution of 1080p @ 60fps.
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Thanks, I kinda figured that...

But as you suggest there could be a future I/O module to offer this if there is demand for it.
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This is what makes the RED system so awesome!
 
So if anyone is actually at CES, any of these panels / displays / projectors really catch the eye for image quality ?
 
Curt Pair said:
Lewis,

...
Me: "HDSDI - it stands for High Definition Serial Digital Interface!"
Lady: "OK... what's that for?"
Me: "So you can hook up a monitor to the camera!"
Lady: "Why on Earth would you ever want to do that?"

I just smiled, waved and went on my way... just proves that even though you can afford great gear, doesn't mean you should BUY it! Especially if you don't know how to use it...
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Curt, funny story... but I think you missed a great opportunity to enlighten.
 
Stuart-

Not to threadjack too much, but...

On my Red Rocket Breakout Box there are 8 SDI spigots and 4 HDMI ports. Is it possible for me to assign a 4K or QHD feed to just one of those HDMI ports to feed the Sony ES-1000's single HDMI port?

I believe it is 1.4a.

Cheers - #19
 
Lucas Wilson said:
Stuart - the LG 3D OLED panels are absolutely astonishing...

Lucas
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I'm hearing the same thing from my peeps at the show. Two of them say they're ditching their plasmas [they're using for color work] for the new 55" LG OLED as soon as they can, just no comparison.

In other 4K news, I'm being told that while they don't have any such beast at the show (that I'm aware of), both Gefen and DVDO are working on converters that will take multiple HD-SDI or HDMI input and convert to a single HDMI 4K output.
 
4K? Thats so 2011 :-)


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http://dvice.com/archives/2012/01/worlds-first-8k-1.php
 
Jeff Kilgroe said:
The big question I have now for RED, is if it's possible to get 4K monitoring and playback out of the EPIC? Will we be able to get a 3840x2160 output via HDMI to drive these new display options? I assume it's possible via an add-on module at some point, but curious if the onboard HDMI is capable of it and upgradeable to do it.
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So dated. Is there any move to make displayport/thunderbolt into a default consumer or pro standard? It already does superior framerate 4k, just needs high framerate 4k 3d, I suspect this year. I think HDMI can be accommodated by a cable dongle. Also thunderbolt offers a wealth of connection possibilities for Epic.

Jeff Kilgroe said:
OK, missed that. So not all the LCOS systems are pixel-shifted...

I'm holding out for a laser one though. ;)
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I thought Sony was using that mirror ribbon technology at the high end?
 
Btw, certain 8k like proto panels have been shown off before.
 
BTW, looks like HDMI 1.5 is coming later in 2012 and might solve our problems - 12bit 4K 60fps stereo on one cable... please?

"The HDMI Forum expects to release the next version of the HDMI Specification in the second half of this year. The next version, which is focused on meeting immediate market needs, will include increased bandwidth to accommodate higher resolutions as well as address new video timings and other features."

http://www.engadget.com/2012/01/11/hdmi-standard-continues-its-ascent-new-specification-expected-f/

I just don't see 4K happening in earnest on a consumer level until then?

Unless you want to buy a 4K screen with limited input capability...

So.... 2H 2012 / early 2013 will really be the time of 4K?

Bruce Allen
www.boacinema.com
 
Then there's Phil Swan's report on 4K, OLED, and the Toshiba "glasses-free" 3D set:

http://www.tvpredictions.com/firstlook011112.htm

Not very encouraging:

The 4K images were impressive, but what everyone really wanted to see was the Spiderman trailer in native 4K. So, how did it look? It was impressive, but it never made me say, 'Wow.' I remember when I saw my first HDTV at a CES in the late 1990s and I was immediately blown away by the incredible life-like details of the picture. I recall saying, 'Wow," over and over again. But during the 4K Spiderman trailer, I sat there thinking the picture is clearer; I can see more detail in the actors' face; Spidey's multi-colored costume certainly pops on screen. But....I was not wowed. Perhaps my expectation was too high going in, but I came away thinking that 4K is just a medium improvement on today's sets; certainly nothing revolutionary. And certainly nothing worth $25,000.

This is not far from what I saw at Cinesite 10 years ago: that there's a point of diminishing returns beyond a certain resolution. And there are many factors beyond just resolution that are equally important, if not more so.
 
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