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Shoulder Pad w/ Arri Dovetail?

Justin R Goff said:
Thanks for the mention Patrick.

The ActionProducts Razor Shouldermount is very versatile in its mounting and balancing options. As a modular component, the Razor is compatible with dovetail and tripod plates that utilize standard 3/4" and 1/4" threads. The Razor Shouldermount also allows the ActionProducts Battery Module to be mounted on top of the pad using a Swivelmount. The pad itself also has the ability to flip 360 degrees for comfort. Please let me know if there are any questions!
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I have a question, hope it's not misconstrued. Why is the shoulder pad alone (sans dovetail or battery plate) cost $700?
Dont want to sound cynical, just genuinely curious what's in it that makes it cost so much so I can make an informed decision if I decide to purchase one.
Thanks,

Milan
 
Because if it's cost is high, it must be even better.
If you are really cool, you also post after the product announcement post a short little " Ordered ! " on the thread.
This signals to other users that you are hip, and a true believer.

example: a plastic loupe for clipping onto red lcd screen, $600 ....
 
Milan Spasic said:
I have a question, hope it's not misconstrued. Why is the shoulder pad alone (sans dovetail or battery plate) cost $700?
Dont want to sound cynical, just genuinely curious what's in it that makes it cost so much so I can make an informed decision if I decide to purchase one.
Thanks,

Milan
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Hey Milan,

I understand your concern over the cost. The reason for the pricing is that this is a very specialized product and it is not mass produced. We can't stress the quality enough. These shouldermounts are milled out of a solid block of 7075 aircraft grade aluminum with Swiss precision and feature other high quality components (the pad, swivel, ect). The Razor is also extremely light AND extremely durable, two very important features that often negate each other. These factors combined with its comfort and modular abilities have put us at the $700 (usd) price point.

Hope this answers your question!
 
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Les Dittert said:
Because if it's cost is high, it must be even better.
If you are really cool, you also post after the product announcement post a short little " Ordered ! " on the thread.
This signals to other users that you are hip, and a true believer.

example: a plastic loupe for clipping onto red lcd screen, $600 ....
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I was trying to be tactful but now that you put it that way..... ;)

By the way, I really dig what Tom (Allstar) is doing, I even like the funky website. Go Allstar!
 
I'm working on something that's nice and will also have a reasonable price.
Camera CG will be as low as practical, quick setup, either RBQR or Arri Dovetail no wiggle or flex.
Super Light about 1KG. Cat on Shoulder. Part of your body.
Think of the hand held setup for an Arri 435 and that's what it's like to use with your Epic / Scarlet except much less top heavy.

The first prototype is ready - I will take some high quality photo's and see how much interest there is.
LA area test drives will be offered in about 2 weeks. Feel free to contact me @ matt (at) mattuhry.com and we'll sort out a test drive.

Matt Uhry
www.mattuhry.com
 
Gavin Greenwalt said:
I'm imagining a product and someone surely must have made one but is there a shoulder pad with a dovetail on top? Then I can just slide my camera off of a tripod with dovetail and on to a shoulder-pad dovetail with rails and everything intact.
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The Red shoulder pad works that way. just get the pad and the small dove tail and then you have all the options to build it out like a fully rigged clutch in the end.


The clutch is possible to set up with the dovetail on top of the shoulder instead of in front of the shoulder. then it gets in balance even with a small camera.
 
Matt Uhry said:
I'm working on something that's nice and will also have a reasonable price.
Camera CG will be as low as practical, quick setup, either RBQR or Arri Dovetail no wiggle or flex.
Super Light about 1KG. Cat on Shoulder. Part of your body.
Think of the hand held setup for an Arri 435 and that's what it's like to use with your Epic / Scarlet except much less top heavy.

The first prototype is ready - I will take some high quality photo's and see how much interest there is.
LA area test drives will be offered in about 2 weeks. Feel free to contact me @ matt (at) mattuhry.com and we'll sort out a test drive.

Matt Uhry
www.mattuhry.com
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Very interested to see your solution Matt,


Pat

PS: "Los Bastardos" is still in my mind.
 
The Action Products shoulder pad is the most elegant solution I have come across. I was going to make the exact same thing, but then I found The Action products one. I mount an RBQ to it and then it's 5 seconds no tools from tripod to hand held. So far two other people have bought them after seeing how mine was set up. It's great.

Nick
 
first of all sorry for my bad english recently i used action products shoulder mount and its very lightweight i mean you cant even compare with that againts element tech. shoulder mount..but it has some negatives.for example you are mounting the shoulder pad on rods and you have to remove handles everytime on lens change if you are on short rods because of mattebox.so you need to use clip on mattebox..oh also i forgot the follow focus you have to remove that too
i mean if you are on tripod and you have small time to get on shoulder mount you have to quickly take off follow focus and mattebox..everytime! wish action products made those handles as a ring clamp..
 
ALLSTAR said:
Hi Mike,
My name is Tom, my website is really awful. We certainly have shoulder rigs for Arri bridge plate. You can choose these two bundles: ARRI H or ARRI combo.
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But like other companies' products , if you would like to assemble shoulder pad under the bridge plate by a dovetail, the camera will be raised up 4-7cm, and the center of gravity will be too high and become like bobblehead. So I do my best to make ARRI H and ARRI combo to be raised as less as possible. (only about 3 cm). And using very wide and soft shoulder pad to get more steady and comfortable. But the best way is to assemble the shoulder pad under the camera directly. Therefore I designed Dual bridge plate. Choosing shoulder system is better you try it in person, you can try my products if you know someone who has them.
please let me know if you have other questions. thank you, Tom.
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Hi Tom. Thanks for responding. In the first picture, the shoulder pad has the quick release clamp on it. That is what's adding to the height. Make your shoulder pad with just an Arri dovetail on the top (like Innocinema Action Products) directly attached to the shoulder pad and you've got something because then it will work with any bridgeplate and give us low center of gravity.

In the second picture you show I can't really tell what you have going on there because of the bridgeplate in the image which I'm sure is not included. Do you have a picture of that without the bridgeplate?

Personally I'm looking for a separate shoulder pad and hand grip solution with the hand grips clamping onto 15mm LWS, 15mm offset Studio, or 19mm Studio rods. Having a modular system like that instead of an all in one solution like the Mantis or what the Wooden Camera appears will be will be lighter I think. But the important thing would be for the hand grip bridge to be a quick release clamp instead of sliding on so matte box, follow focus, or anything else doesn't potentially have to be removed or moved around to get the hand grips on.
 
Justin R Goff said:
Hey Milan,

I understand your concern over the cost. The reason for the pricing is that this is a very specialized product and it is not mass produced. We can't stress the quality enough. These shouldermounts are milled out of a solid block of 7075 aircraft grade aluminum with Swiss precision and feature other high quality components (the pad, swivel, ect). The Razor is also extremely light AND extremely durable, two very important features that often negate each other. These factors combined with its comfort and modular abilities have put us at the $700 (usd) price point.

Hope this answers your question!
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I understand that it's a specialized product. All filmmaking equipment seems to be. $1,000 for a shoulder pad (the Arri dovetail is a necessity with these) I can't test or even see before buying is tough to swallow. I'm curious how many more you'd sell with a lower price and if selling more at a lower price would garner more profits. It's a difficult thing to figure out the right happy medium for.

Also, I can't find any decent pictures or info on the hand grips on the website.
 
Hi Mike,
I don't like to give opinion to other companies,but you won't get lower center of gravity on that product.*
My clamp is oblique, so you will think the camera is high, but actually the rising height is low.*
As what I said before, whatever companies' products cannot lower the height of the camera if using this method to design. (mounting shoulder pad under bridge plate through dovetail), especially DSMC camera, you need to add 11.5 mm in height.
However, discussing these is not important, when you choose a shoulder rig, the best way is not to compare the price, or the picture or listen to others. The best way is to try it by yourself.

About the grips, I suggestion don't use quick release design. Unless it has safety devise. Otherwise, one day you forget to lock it or it's loose, your machine will be "quickly release" from your shoulder.
My Arri H /combo is a complete set. When you swap from tripod to handheld, all you have to do is to slide the camera off the dovetail, then slide Arri H /combo into your bridge plate, don't have to mount grips on rods.
 
Les Dittert said:
Because if it's cost is high, it must be even better.
If you are really cool, you also post after the product announcement post a short little " Ordered ! " on the thread.
This signals to other users that you are hip, and a true believer.

example: a plastic loupe for clipping onto red lcd screen, $600 ....
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Maybe I should adjust my price higher so my sale would be better.*
My products are made of CNC and aircraft aluminum. I think it is reasonable that the price could be higher.
 
Mike Halper said:
I understand that it's a specialized product. All filmmaking equipment seems to be. $1,000 for a shoulder pad (the Arri dovetail is a necessity with these) I can't test or even see before buying is tough to swallow. I'm curious how many more you'd sell with a lower price and if selling more at a lower price would garner more profits. It's a difficult thing to figure out the right happy medium for.

Also, I can't find any decent pictures or info on the hand grips on the website.
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Hey Mike,

Here are some additional pictures of the hand grips that we offer with our Razor. They can be added at the bottom of the product page along with other options.


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We also understand the hesitation to spend that amount of money without trying the product. Again, we can't stress the quality and design of these products enough, as our customers have been extremely happy with them. All of our products also come with a warranty. If you order any of the products and decide they aren't right for you or your setup, you can return them in the first 10 days for a full refund, as long as the product is still new in condition. On top of that, ActionProducts also offers a 3 year warranty on their products as described below:


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