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Scarlet (and shipping) announcement Nov. 3rd...

This is the greatest news I have heard in a long time. I really hope I can move up the ranks onto the Red Scarlet. For guys like me, who shot their first doc on a rocky fishing boat at 3am somewhere off the coast of Portugal using a PD170, I have been moving up the ladder steadily with increasingly better hardware. Now I shoot my own projects using a Sony EX1, a Canon 5D and a set of three Zeiss primes. I have dealt with Red before, filming and editing and I think the workflow using FCP is awesome! In fact, the last narrative feature I worked on, entirely shot on a Red 1, picked up two awards at Tribeca 2011. Never a glitch, with a seamless workflow despite doing the project in Rwanda, London and Mebourne.

I see this as a chance to change the game all over again and edge closer to 4K in my own projects, even if its via 3K, as previous interviews by Jim talk about amazing specs anyway. I would imagine most guys like me are bundling their existing kit together and flogging it to get enough cash for this next baby. I truly hope I am not priced out: and that means having everything so I can just start shooting and still have enough cards for at least two hours of RAW.
 
I think that is exactly my fear, that whilst the camera is offered at a competitive price (whether it shoots 3K or 4K), it will still be too expensive when you add up all the extras to just shoot (I'm not thinking rigs here but just the basics like the cards and batteries), assuming the fixed zoom and monitor, etc. already come in some kind of bundle.

For most filmmakers that have been shooting indie and are a few ranks below RAW, to buy this camera will also have massive implications on your editing pipeline as well. So it's not just a matter of buying the camera and accessories. It's to ensure you can adequately and in a time-effective manner, turn around your projects. And that means spending some money also on improving editing gear (e.g. 6GB/s SAS controller, faster, bigger RAID, etc). Still, I think this is great news for us. It's bringing Red that step closer to up and coming directors and producers. Allowing us to give the finger to Sony and the likes with their 8-bit digital cinematography revolution. That's customer loyalty for you.
 
Wayne Morellini said:
A few things I have lost the posts for due to session crash:

Somebody somewhere mentioned hitting the nail on the head and the post being deleted. I also had this happen when I asked confirmation on a specification that was confirmed then deleted. Things change.

People complain about h264, and sometimes 4/3rds, but check this out (I have maintained that 24 mbs h264 for fullhdp60 is inadequate, it should be minimal 36mbs, preferably 48-72mbs).

www.eoshd.com/content/4279/how-the-gh2-is-still-top-dog-for-video-quality
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I fully agree. Even if Jim finally agrees with "the others" (:out: I soo wish he doesn't) that 1080p will be enough, the Red codec alone will be a killer for the current competition.

Jannard said:
We actually are thinking that Scarlet could turn into a 1080P camera... since the "other guys" are saying that 1080P is good enough.

Jim
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Terry VerHaar said:
One thing to keep in mind about the 3K spec that was being planned for Scarlet is that it is expected to resolve a very nice 2.4K. Since no CMOS sensor (to my knowledge) resolves 100% in debayer, the 3K does indeed have a significant advantage over shooting 2K/1080. Resolving at 2.4K even gives a little room for cropping or recomposing if you are finishing at 1080.
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Yes, there is currently no popular 1080 cam resolving close to 1080. The original Scarlet would look obviously superior
 
I didn't even consider that someone would actually ask "Why 3K over 2K?" As many others have already stated, as I understand it, 3K (for a RED sensor) will probably resolve to 2.4K (ish) but 1080p (on other sensors) might be pushing to get 720p actual resolution. So, yes, 3K has a distinct advantage over 1080p for 2K distribution.

Also, remember, this is a DSMC. A 3K sensor is around 5 MP versus a 1080p sensor being 2 MP. Yes, 5 MP pales in comparison to modern digital still cameras, but, it's good enough to pull stills for web distribution. And, if the sensor has good resolution and as high of a dynamic range as I expect, I honestly see using Scarlet quite a bit as my "stills" camera. I'm not going to give away my DSLR, but a 5MP Scarlet is still attractive as a DSMC. A 2 MP Scarlet... not so much.

Now, if Scarlet that somehow gets to 3.5K or 4K (different aspect ratios, slightly bigger sensor, whatever)... I doubt I'd ever bother with my regular stills camera except for portability.
 
Travis Freeburg said:
I went back and looked, and realized that of course he was, but I'm still arguing that 2k is more probable than 4k...

I don't think that 1080P is "good enough", but its a current standard for broadcast (or 1080i)... and the jump from 1080p to 2k is not that huge. If Scarlet isn't going to be 4k, then why be 3k... who plans on post in 3k? If you use scarlet as a B cam, you hopefully won't have any slow, detailed shots... I don't think the difference between upscaled 2k and upscaled 3k is enough to be a selling point.
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Red never goes backwards. They have beat announced specs on every camera they have released so far in significant ways. Expect at least 3k raw 120fps.
 
Steven Hammer said:
I didn't even consider that someone would actually ask "Why 3K over 2K?" As many others have already stated, as I understand it, 3K (for a RED sensor) will probably resolve to 2.4K (ish) but 1080p (on other sensors) might be pushing to get 720p actual resolution. So, yes, 3K has a distinct advantage over 1080p for 2K distribution.

Also, remember, this is a DSMC. A 3K sensor is around 5 MP versus a 1080p sensor being 2 MP. Yes, 5 MP pales in comparison to modern digital still cameras, but, it's good enough to pull stills for web distribution. And, if the sensor has good resolution and as high of a dynamic range as I expect, I honestly see using Scarlet quite a bit as my "stills" camera. I'm not going to give away my DSLR, but a 5MP Scarlet is still attractive as a DSMC. A 2 MP Scarlet... not so much.

Now, if Scarlet that somehow gets to 3.5K or 4K (different aspect ratios, slightly bigger sensor, whatever)... I doubt I'd ever bother with my regular stills camera except for portability.
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Red could do a QHD 3840x2160 8Mp super 16mm sized sensor for Scarlet interchangeable on the same sensor fab as the 2/3". Not a huge leap. Still 3k at 2/3" size.
 
Steven Hammer said:
I didn't even consider that someone would actually ask "Why 3K over 2K?" As many others have already stated, as I understand it, 3K (for a RED sensor) will probably resolve to 2.4K (ish) but 1080p (on other sensors) might be pushing to get 720p actual resolution. So, yes, 3K has a distinct advantage over 1080p for 2K distribution.

Also, remember, this is a DSMC. A 3K sensor is around 5 MP versus a 1080p sensor being 2 MP. Yes, 5 MP pales in comparison to modern digital still cameras, but, it's good enough to pull stills for web distribution. And, if the sensor has good resolution and as high of a dynamic range as I expect, I honestly see using Scarlet quite a bit as my "stills" camera. I'm not going to give away my DSLR, but a 5MP Scarlet is still attractive as a DSMC. A 2 MP Scarlet... not so much.

Now, if Scarlet that somehow gets to 3.5K or 4K (different aspect ratios, slightly bigger sensor, whatever)... I doubt I'd ever bother with my regular stills camera except for portability.
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I just assumed that Red 2k would still resolve at much better than the rest, :) :) :)

I mean, whats with all this over shooting crap... seriously, if you want 4k, why can't you shoot 4k! If you want 1080p, why can't you shoot 1080p! :)
 
I sold my cameras-all 5 of them(Sony EX-1, Sony PD-177, Canon XL-2, Canon EOS-3, Canon 5D) within the last week to be able to order Scarlet upon release. Now I am only left with my iphone4 camera for the moment. I am sure I will not regret this.
 
Travis Freeburg said:
I just assumed that Red 2k would still resolve at much better than the rest, :) :) :)

I mean, whats with all this over shooting crap... seriously, if you want 4k, why can't you shoot 4k! If you want 1080p, why can't you shoot 1080p! :)
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You are just beeing silly now.
 
Sulekh Suman said:
I sold my cameras-all 5 of them(Sony EX-1, Sony PD-177, Canon XL-2, Canon EOS-3, Canon 5D) within the last week to be able to order Scarlet upon release. Now I am only left with my iphone4 camera for the moment. I am sure I will not regret this.
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you must have craigslist-pro ; )
 
I sold both of my 1Ds Mark IIIs, but I kept the 5D Mark II. I'll need something to photograph that new camera with :)
 
Jannard said:
We actually are thinking that Scarlet could turn into a 1080P camera... since the "other guys" are saying that 1080P is good enough.

Jim
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Of course Scarlet can turn into a 1080P camera - and that doesn't necessarily have any relation to sensor size. Just plug a recorder or Teradek or Decklink into the HDMI or (hopefully) HD-SDI and it's a 1080p camera for HD production, livestreaming, or webstreaming. It will produce BADASS 1080P that's DOWNrezzed, sharp, contrasty, with Graeme color magic, lightweight, compact and capable of simultaneously recording RAW. With a 8x zoom and wide + tele extenders it will be super versatile. Think efp, not just cinema.

Scarlet could be the swiss army (or maybe I should say Case) knife of the RED lines, while Epic could be the Bowie knife.

1080P, like strobes, may be on its way out in the long run, but long after they are obsolete on the high end, they will still be in use by MANY people who are still pros, but not at the top.

Just thought I'd add my reading of the latest tea leaves.
 
RED's target customer is the professional... or those that aspire to be professionals.

There are plenty of other companies that make products for those that want to dabble.

Jim
 
I'm definitely thinking about selling my 7D & L zoom. I'm still a bit worried about what the cost of Scarlet could bloat to once you add on enough media (which I'm guessing will be SSD) and batteries to get through a shoot day. I can't believe it's only the 4th. It feels like a month has gone by since the Scarlet Announcement... er... announcement-announcement.
 
I'm kind of interested to see what the price of the red one mx will be after Epic-X and Scarlet are out, or if they'll even sell them anymore.
 
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