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Scarlet 2/3" Fixed @ CES

Tom Wardrop said:
I can only assume that RED make a lot of their money via the accessories they sell. They're probably not making a hell of a lot on the camera's themselves ($6k for a Scarlet Fixed; where's the money in that). Hence, keeping the media propriety is in their best interest.
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I don't think Jim has any particular need or desire to make massive profits on RED. He got $2 billion from Oakley; he recently put a link to his newly purchased Fijian private island on his web site (congratulations, Jim - please don't retire just yet :) ); I don't think he has any particular need to make money. He just has a hobby that's a bit more all-consuming than most peoples' :).

I strongly suspect that what you would find out, if you were able to examine RED's books, is that it's surprisingly engineering intensive to make things like the SSD adapter. In any event, making anything in such (relatively) small quantities is always very expensive. That's a big reason why products used by the film industry in general are mind-bendingly expensive. The reason we get specialized stuff at all is because a major part of the film industry is so mind-bendingly rich they can easily afford what they need, and precisely what they need, almost regardless of cost.

I can't help but wonder how much a SSD adapter with soldered in SSD chips like the MacBook Air would cost. If they are about to become as cheap as you say, this might be a viable opportunity for a third-party vendor and for customers who didn't need rapid interchangeability of SSDs. For people with small to no staffs, having enough capacity for one day's shooting plus and no need for data wrangling would be a huge advantage and the soldered in chips might make it more cost-effective.

Just a thought ...

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David Rasberry said:
In a year when major Academy awards went to films shot on S16 film, and 2/3" HD cameras the "my sensor is bigger than your sensor" argument doesn't hold much water.
People will do amazing things with the little Scarlet.
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So true. If there is a compelling story, told with visual fines, the right people will notice. No one will ask what the size of the sensor was - whether it was FF, 2/3 or whatever tomorrow brings. The Fixed Scarlet will be a massive hit with the independent filmmaking community, as it will make it possible for people who wouldn't normally be able to afford a Pro camera system to tell their story and get seen.
 
Jarred Land said:
We are no longer making the 2.8" touchscreen.. it was impossible for any normal sized person to use.
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Took a while to realise this! :001_tongue:

Glad you've made the choice to ditch the 2.8" screen. I'm used to using the XDCAM's and their pop out screen are the same size. Tiny!! When you're trying to view and focus HD images you'll end up getting a squint, and you can't always tow around an attached LCD monitor. 5" screen for the Scarlet would be the best. If you're going to be shooting 5K I would advice going for the 7".
 
Just saw Ted talking about the Scarlet in a CES video...Jim...I can wire the money anytime, you release the camera whenever you want. This thing is a beauty.

One more thing....I seriously think you and the Red team should get the Scientific and Technical award this year...no questions period.
 
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I think one thing to consider with SSD's is that RED is taking a similar approach as Apple, in this way: developing products that they can control, and improve. I love Apple because I know that it will just work, where as other PC's dont because they use parts from here, there, and everywhere and open up massive doors for things not working.

I am very happy with the price, just look at P2's!


David Rasberry said:
We will probably see RED's media costs come down as the raw media costs drop and perfomance improves. But a nominal write specification from the SSD manufacturer is no guarantee of actual performance or of controller compatibility with Red's software. The ability to sustain a continuous high speed write to full capacity and do it over and over again without losing any data is critical to this application. So far Red has been ahead of the curve pushing data rates that most off the shelf media can't sustain.
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dean merrill said:
I think one thing to consider with SSD's is that RED is taking a similar approach as Apple, in this way: developing products that they can control, and improve. I love Apple because I know that it will just work, where as other PC's dont because they use parts from here, there, and everywhere and open up massive doors for things not working.

I am very happy with the price, just look at P2's!
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Unless I'm mistaken, I'm not so sure it's about complete control, at least to the extent of Apple hardware.

From my understanding, RED is open to third-party developers for software and hardware. Jim posted not too long ago that a third-party module is already in development.

Jannard said:
We have sent out EPIC data and dummy models to several companies making 3D rigs and UW housings. One company has begun development on a new module. I expect more to follow.

You may have noticed that ET has released a 3D rig made exclusively for EPIC... called ATOM.

Jim
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I recall reading someone from RED team mention that they are not opposed to third-party media solutions. They would, of course, need to be RED approved and so on. It's just that right now, it isn't a practical reality. Heck, SSDs aren't even fast enough to allow the 2.5:1 5K recording, yet. I assume in a year or two we'll have more options.
 
Reliability and quality control is the primary imperative with Red media I think. No camera maker wants to get a bad rep due to inadequate aftermarket media.
 
Anyone know what mm lens the scarlet will be when fully zoomed out?

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It'd be nice to have the option to go a little wider but I suppose that's close enough
 
On the fixed, the widest the lens can be is 7.5mm, which has a FF equivalent of 28mm. Because of the 2/3 sensor, even with the interchangeable, I don't think you're going to find a lens wider than 7.5mm except...

One Red Mini Prime goes wider:
6.5mm T1.9 (24mm FF equivalent)
8mm T1.5
16mm T1.5
25 T1.8
50 T2.9
75 T4

So besides not having as shallow of DOF as S35 or FF35, the bigger issue with 2/3 sensor is the lack of getting ultrawide. But still, a great tool for the majority of scenarios.
There was some chatter over a year ago about a wide-angle adapter???
 
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