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  • Hey all, just changed over the backend after 15 years I figured time to give it a bit of an update, its probably gonna be a bit weird for most of you and i am sure there is a few bugs to work out but it should kinda work the same as before... hopefully :)

Rocket Fuel...

Sanjin Jukic said:
Finally everyone should know that:

"The first Macintosh computers containing Intel CPUs were announced on January 10, 2006...

And Apple can run Windows more that 3 years..."
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Sanjin,

We understand you want it on a Mac. And that's cool. I'm glad you like SCRATCH so much to be this passionate about it. Until the SDI drivers for the NVidia cards are supported on OSX, it doesn't make much sense for us.

SCRATCH is a Windows product, and this bundle is targeted at Windows users. We cannot please everyone all the time, but judging from the hundreds of responses I've had on this, we are at least taking steps in the right direction.

This thread is primarily for information regarding Rocket Fuel, Rocket Fuel's availability, pricing, etc.

If you want to discuss SCRATCH on a Mac, please start a new thread on it and quit hijacking this one. : )

Thanks,

Lucas
 
Rocket Fuel if you own a Rocket.

Rocket Fuel if you own a Rocket.

mikeburton said:
Hey Lucas,

Will there just be a ScratchCine Software only purchase or maybe, SDI & Software, or REDROCKET & Software only?
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Hi All,

I've been getting a lot of questions from people who already own a RED Rocket card and are wondering if we will do anything for them.

The answer is "Yes... but you have to rethink things a bit."

What we're doing is... Rocket Fuel for $10,999.

Unfortunately, we cannot "break" the bundle on this deal and only sell the graphics card + software.

The list price for SCRATCH-CINE is US$17,500.
The list price for the 3800-SDI is about US$6,000.

But Rocket Fuel's price is US$10,999.

So look at it this way:

With Rocket Fuel, we're offering SCRATCH-CINE software and the SDI card at more than a 50% discount off current MSRP... plus there is a free RED Rocket card tossed in. If you forget for a minute about the concept of "buying an extra RED Rocket" and focus on the raw currency involved, it is still an amazing deal.

Best,

Lucas Wilson
--------------
ASSIMILATE, inc.
LA, CA, USA

lucas (at) assimilateinc (dot) com
 
Sanjin Jukic said:
And Apple can run Windows more that 3 years..."
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Thanks for notifying, Sanjin, but I think I mentioned Bootcamp a few posts earlier. Why don't you give it a try - instead of urging a Windows based software producer to adopt a new platform?


- Carsten
 
Yes, some more of a functional description of modules, etc. would be very useful.

- Carsten
 
This sounds like an incredible deal... I'm blown away by this. Basically a new buyer would now be getting Scratch Cine for free, If the cost of the REDRocket card and Nvidia card is roughly equated to $11k alone. Heck I'm in.
 
I'm a Mac newbie - if I understand correctly from skim reading all these posts, Apple's long out of date Nvidia drivers don't support the necessary SDI card for the Rocket Fuel bundle.

But what about one of the Windows OS's on Mac via Bootcamp? Can Scratch Cine be run in Bootcamp at full performance level? Not possible?
 
ericyoung said:
I'm a Mac newbie - if I understand correctly from skim reading all these posts, Apple's long out of date Nvidia drivers don't support the necessary SDI card for the Rocket Fuel bundle.

But what about one of the Windows OS's on Mac via Bootcamp? Can Scratch Cine be run in Bootcamp at full performance level? Not possible?
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Eric,

Well... here's the thing. That might be possible, except...

1) The minute you put an SDI card into the system, you completely invalidate the Apple warranty. That might not bother some people, but...

2) When you put an SDI card into a Tower, OSX will not boot. (not that I've ever tried that - because that would invalidate the warranty!!) The only way to make the card "not" an SDI, is to open the system and disconnect the ribbon cable that connects the primary card to the SDI card. And that is sort of a dealkiller.

So, until Apple supports the SDI drivers for the NVidia, which I personally don't believe they will ever do, we will remain a Windows product.

Best,

Lucas

Lucas Wilson
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Director, Business Development
ASSIMILATE, inc.
LA, CA, USA

lucas (at) assimilateinc (dot) com
 
We financed ourselves to expand our equipment list.

Rocket Fuel is definitely on the list to purchase.
 
Lucas Wilson said:
1) The minute you put an SDI card into the system, you completely invalidate the Apple warranty. That might not bother some people, but...

2) When you put an SDI card into a Tower, OSX will not boot. (not that I've ever tried that - because that would invalidate the warranty!!) The only way to make the card "not" an SDI, is to open the system and disconnect the ribbon cable that connects the primary card to the SDI card. And that is sort of a dealkiller.
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Do you have a source for these, because I don't see how either can be true... How would putting a 3rd party graphics card in a computer void its warranty? And Mac OS X should still boot with one in, but at worst, if it doesn't have drivers, you may need another graphics card in there - so you could still have one in just for running Windows and another for Mac OS X. But its still possible (or even probable?) that it would work, just not with the SDI outputs...
 
I don't know about warranty voiding but I do know that with hardware that OSX does not understand booting the Mac won't work. AFAIK, all drivers necessary for the Apple products are included in OSX. In OSX have you ever installed a new driver for a non-recognized graphics card, sound card, etc...? A major part on Apple's philosophy is to make their products work in the most convenient and reliable way. While this is a virtue all Apple users appreciate it has a downside: no third party drivers.

No nvidia SDI on OSX is a pitty. I'm using a 5600fx on OSX on a daily basis and would be the first to purchase a nvidia SDI board. Apple considers the potential user base as to small plus bringing in a new SDI partner would harm the relationship to AJA.

Hans
 
Stephen Gentle said:
Do you have a source for these, because I don't see how either can be true... How would putting a 3rd party graphics card in a computer void its warranty? And Mac OS X should still boot with one in, but at worst, if it doesn't have drivers, you may need another graphics card in there - so you could still have one in just for running Windows and another for Mac OS X. But its still possible (or even probable?) that it would work, just not with the SDI outputs...
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Directly from Apple's One Year Limited Warranty...
http://images.apple.com/legal/warranty/docs/cpuwarranty.pdf

"This warranty does not apply: ... (c) to damage caused by use with non-Apple products; ... (e) to damage caused by operating the product outside the permitted or intended uses described by Apple; (f) to damage caused by
service (including upgrades and expansions) performed by anyone who is not a representative of Apple or
an Apple Authorized Service Provider (“AASP”);"

If you need Warranty service, and Apple finds out you have installed an unsupported graphics card that did not come from Apple, then your warranty is invalidated.

If OSX sees incompatible graphics, it won't boot - you may be able to get VESA in Safe Mode, but that isn't very useful.

Lucas
 
Thanks for the clarification Lucas!

It's a shame Apple is so focused on volume, neglecting their high end users. While I understand the modification lock out, there should be a process for higher end users to officially push the boundaries - the pro range really is a misnomer when it stops people doing legitimate stuff with Apple gear. Do Apple read this forum I wonder...
 
Installing an unsupported card does only void the warranty IF it damages the computer. So far I can't see that installing a card that works on the same machine under native windows does that.

You can connect all sorts of possibly non-Apple products without known driver support to a Mac - USB devices, WLAN/BT Equipment etc. That alone doesn't void the warranty. That's what these interfaces (incl. PCI/PC-E) are made for. Because then, installing 3rdparty RAID cards, RR, etc. would void the warranty as well at the moment of installation.

But if the Mac really won't boot with the SDI card connected, that is no damage - but the discussion is useless then. However, it would be a possible way to disconnect the SDI board temporarily for OS X use, since the MacPros can be opened very easily.
Of course, an additional PC to operate the bundle wouldn't be that expensive (like the cheapest turnkey system). The problem is you would have to exchange RR card every time when switching platforms.
Well, depending on the situation, two machines may still give you better working options from time to time even if the RR is NOT installed in the MacPro.
Having the option for a RR/OSX and RocketFuel/W7 within the same machine would still be desirable for certain clients.
Maybe someone will find out about that sooner or later. Or, hopefully, we will see SDI card support from Apple or NVIDIA.

- Carsten
 
Carsten Kurz said:
Or, hopefully, we will see SDI card support from Apple or NVIDIA.
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We would certainly welcome that.

This is not an NVidia issue, fyi. Drivers for OSX are rolled into the OS install. Apple does their own drivers. Hardware companies provide Apple a low-level API, and then Apple does the rest of the work.

This is 100% an Apple decision.

Lucas
 
Sorry, I couldn't resist and must jump here again to add some of the facts just because of that you would not need to install "unsupported" NVIDIA card on MacPro:

SCRATCH® status of the following graphics hardware:

Quadro_FX4800_bracket_med.png

- NVIDIA Quadro FX 4800 SDI>>>

Quadro_fx_4800_mac_med_b.png

- NVIDIA Quadro FX 4800 for Mac>>>

"The Quadro FX 4800 ultra-high-end solution is now available for the Mac Pro,
giving architects, digital artists, medical scientists, and other professionals the right set of tools to
deliver results that push the realms of visualization. With Boot Camp, users can experience the full
features and accelerated performance of native Quadro 3D graphics when running professional Windows applications.
Designed, tested, and built by NVIDIA for the Mac Pro, Quadro FX 4800 gives professionals the visual supercomputing
power that they deserve from their desktops."



So what missing is

NVIDIA Quadro SDI Output option card>>>

Quadro_SDI_bracket_med.png



It's only question about how Mac OSX BootCamp could "deal" with NVIDIA® Quadro® SDI Output card but on Snow Leopard BootCamp should be fine with that... (!!!???).
 
Sanjin Jukic said:
Sorry, I couldn't resist and must jump here again to add some of the facts just because of that you would not need to install "unsupported" NVIDIA card on MacPro:

It's only question about how Mac OSX BootCamp could "deal" with NVIDIA® Quadro® SDI Output card but on Snow Leopard BootCamp should be fine with that... (!!!???).
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For Rocket Fuel (the point of this thread) you need an SDI card.

Lucas
 
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