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Hi guys!

Would it be possible for someone to do a quick summary? 109 pages, i'm a little bit lost reading everything!
Is RED going to released more than one projector? One for home, one for theater etc...?
So if it's the case, they are not going to have the same price, is that it?
And people must already have post this question, but i can't find the answer: do we have an idea when the Red laser Projector is going to be released?

Thanks if somebody takes his time to answer to me.

cheers,


baptiste
 
Baptiste Leleu said:
Hi guys!

Would it be possible for someone to do a quick summary? 109 pages, i'm a little bit lost reading everything!
Is RED going to released more than one projector? One for home, one for theater etc...?
So if it's the case, they are not going to have the same price, is that it?
And people must already have post this question, but i can't find the answer: do we have an idea when the Red laser Projector is going to be released?



Thanks if somebody takes his time to answer to me.

cheers,


baptiste
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Yes to 2 versions home/theatre
Prices have not been released - but obviously going to be different, considering the theatre version is likely
to have higher specifications and interchangeable lens options
Release date coming soon we presume

best
joe
 
Once the projector is introduced, I think, Red will then have a complete cinema ecosystem in place, which will allow them to penetrate into more markets.
 
Baptiste Leleu said:
Would it be possible for someone to do a quick summary? 109 pages, i'm a little bit lost reading everything!
Is RED going to released more than one projector? One for home, one for theater etc...?
So if it's the case, they are not going to have the same price, is that it?
And people must already have post this question, but i can't find the answer: do we have an idea when the Red laser Projector is going to be released?
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Hit the red team button on the top right of a red team member's comment. It will skip to the next red team comment. There are a lot of other important voices and questions and they tend to be within a page or two or addressed directly.
 
Sorry guys, I forgot about this, being having heart etc issues in the last month.

Larry Kelly said:
Well, I don't want to drag up old news and as far as the current technology that's in the Projector goes, we are where we are and that's fine. It was just a bit disappointing to me after hearing a video interview from one of the RED gurus saying it was a scanning laser technology. Since then I've been talking up the projector to a number of people only to find that what I've been telling them has not been accurate. I don't think that there was any discussion about changing direction or I likely would have seen it as I have been following quite closely too. All that aside, I am going to be saving my pennies for a Red Ray projector and looking forward to both viewing content from artists world wide and taking advantage of the opportunity to distribute my content world wide. What an amazing time to be in this business! In the meantime, I will be nursing along my aging CRT projector in my private little theatre.

Larry
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Hmm, anything over 25l brightness in a scanning system has proven to be problematic. I identified this problem years ago. I had already come up with a solution, multiple beams each up to the danger zone. Now I suspect I might know what the configuration they are using (hopefully they are nit just referring to a dmd flipping). Years ago I came up with other a hundred different laser scanner mechanisms one suitable for 20k.

Vincent Rice said:
I suspect that the concept of the Projector being "upgradeable" with the addition of extra Laser lighting units has been abandoned. This is a shame but not surprising - one of the most serious engineering problems is how to keep the Laser diodes safe - or rather how to keep people safe from them. The interconnecting fibre between light engine and projector would have been a nightmare since the engines would have to instantaneously power-down if any damage or disconnection occurred. Serious reliability issues and serious issues in getting the design passed by the appropriate health and safety authorities. The design of the integration optics would have been pretty tasty as well.

A modular system would have had interesting implications for my own industry (AV) but we shall see.

I'll plug my article on laser illuminated projectors again if anybody is still confused as to how they work:

Laser Projection
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Yes it can be done, and in theater, even if you did not have auto cutoff safety mechanisms, you just handle it safely. I was wondering about the theater encryption scheme in a cheap home device, I imagine that was going to be heavy regulated and rather expensive to license. I also identified that extra units add to the cost of consumer production. I could see if the basic system was under $10k, how much do you charge for the extra light units to make it profitable across much much lower theater volumes (sales and support cost issues). This seperate consumer unit can allow lower consumer and higher theater prices.

Max Nguyen said:
It will cost more for the theater owner. I read previously that the Crimson will have interchangeable lenses. Below 10k will have a fixed lens which will be fine for the user projecting at living room/studio spaces. I also suspect that the redray player for a crimson will be tricked out.
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Blair S. Paulsen said:
The Red Team "skip" tool is great. That said, in some cases the context embedded in the adjacent posts aids understanding.

I get that RED is still developing the RRencode tool and definitive answers may still be a ways off. That said, for those of us looking to encode a lot of .RED files as soon as RRencode ships some sense of which resources are most critical to performance would be very helpful. As an example, when working with R3D files sans Rocket the CPU horsepower is the biggest determinant of performance since the GPU is not involved with the initial de-compression step which is typically the limiting factor. IAC, looking forward to guidance on all this so we can hit the ground running.

Cheers - #19
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Why do we still have the rocket. I suggested using the chipset in it to Jim many years ago as a temporary bridging solution until cheaper GPU solutions took over. It is an unheeded extra cost.

Jarred Land said:
clicking on the little RED TEAM button inside a thread is pretty helpful skipping through to all the posts from us, you loose the conjecture of course but if you just want the official punchlines its a good way to go.
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Great idea, but we really need a controlled to go to the last red post and one to go backwards until we get to the red post we read last time. Trying to search forwards for the last post read takes a long time on big threads. What is really needed is a mechanism to highlight the pages read or last post you got up to. I now do to a listing of my posts and find the last one in the thread and read from there, but if you read and didn't post, you still have to go through posts you read previous sessions since you did. If you are short on time, you just want to find if anybody is is talking to you, to give them a courteous reply. What would be good is if you could press a thread tool link to list your posts and replies to your posts by direct quote, part of your name, or quoting part of your posts text (some people repeat what you say but not wth your name). You just press the button it gives you a list of posts and replies, indicating the last post you made, the last post you read and new replies. You go to where you were up to, look at last post if the same for direct unquoted replies, then onto the traceable replies, and see what is said around them. You could have buttons in thread that take you to your next / previous /last post and replies (also last up to). Even simpler, you highlight pages and posts numbers that is new replies to you, and color the page and post with last post , last read post and first new reply. In this way, people simply see where they were and if people are talking to you.


Thanks for reading,


Wayne.
 
hmmmmm, maybe it's already answered somewhere but: any kind of 'software player' for the upcoming .red format?
or will software players like vlc, quicktime and co be enabled to play these files back with a codec install?
best, norbert
 
Norbert Jalitsch said:
hmmmmm, maybe it's already answered somewhere but: any kind of 'software player' for the upcoming .red format?
or will software players like vlc, quicktime and co be enabled to play these files back with a codec install?
best, norbert
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Nothing has been announced. I think it unlikely given the incredible compression and quality level that RED has achieved with REDRAY. Having seen REDRAY in action, It would appear that there's some very special hardware and software magic needed to pull off realtime 4K playback from 20 Mbps! I would also think that a software player would cause DRM issues and playback quality issues, assuming that it could even be done with a CPU or GPU. Just my two cents.
 
Richard Fox said:
Nothing has been announced. I think it unlikely given the incredible compression and quality level that RED has achieved with REDRAY. Having seen REDRAY in action, It would appear that there's some very special hardware and software magic needed to pull off realtime 4K playback from 20 Mbps! I would also think that a software player would cause DRM issues and playback quality issues, assuming that it could even be done with a CPU or GPU. Just my two cents.
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Fairly sure theres a RED post in thsi thread confirming there will not be a sotware player or a codes for 3rd party players for .RED.
 
Fairly sure theres a RED post in thsi thread confirming there will not be a sotware player or a codes for 3rd party players for .RED.
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Correct, there is no software based player available for .RED files. Decode requires the REDRAY ASIC.
 
I understand that RedRay and the .RED encoder is a big rollout for RED and the industry so it needs to be rock solid. Standards often live far longer than anyone could guess.

That said, what's the current estimated timeline for release/ship on RRencode and the RedRay players? Got a hungry 4K Sony ES-1000 projector sitting here... ;-)

Cheers - #19
 
Blair S. Paulsen said:
I understand that RedRay and the .RED encoder is a big rollout for RED and the industry so it needs to be rock solid. Standards often live far longer than anyone could guess.

That said, what's the current estimated timeline for release/ship on RRencode and the RedRay players? Got a hungry 4K Sony ES-1000 projector sitting here... ;-)

Cheers - #19
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Personally I was glad to see it wait until after the New Year, but now that THAT is upon us, I'm ready. Looks like EVERYONE is going to need tax deductions for the future. Going over the fiscal cliff could actually cause more business related buying and therefore, help the economy.
 
Odemax at Sundance... anyone there have an update? Wasnt today the big announcement??

ODEMAX & REDray at Sundance. Sundance House Presented by HP Kimball Art Center 638 Park Ave. (corner of Main St. and Heber Ave.)
 
Tim Whitcomb said:
Odemax at Sundance... anyone there have an update? Wasnt today the big announcement??

ODEMAX & REDray at Sundance. Sundance House Presented by HP Kimball Art Center 638 Park Ave. (corner of Main St. and Heber Ave.)
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Yeah I'm waiting for some news too. They're supposed to be playing some of the RED film festival finalist films on their display all week and I was hoping to see some pics.
 
Yeah, I was under the impression that there would be more ODEMAX / REDRAY news at Sundance, today... Hope that we hear something! I did get the REDRAY license agreement email thing yesterday or the day before, so it seems that something is happening.

At the moment, what I need most is physical specs for the projector!!! I guess I'll have to ask.... ;)
 
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