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RED ONE M-X Sensor Upgrade Program

Dan Kanes said:
Is it true that the red one m-x is presently only capable of displaying out in Raw color space or is the new redspace available. An Ac I know might be spreading FUD (or not) need to know now(ish).


Also for a camera test should we be rating at 800 or 320 for base results. Again, more FUD fighting.
Thanks!
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Im pretty sure its just RAW and REDColour spaces now, although you can output to client monitors in a different space to your EVF/LCD. I think you can monitor a RAW histo whilst in REDcolour too, no?

Sorry if ive mixed it up, RED Day was a couple of weeks ago, and its been non stop 18 hour days since then......
 
I was suggesting Redcolor, and varying the iso to our two test conditions (high key, low key)

But as the GAFFER of today's test shoot I decided to let the AC and DP figure it out on their own and do the politically correct, safe thing by keeping my mouth shut and just metering the whole thing at 800 (compensating for ND filtration when in of course).

This was the DP's first time using the Red One MX, and the AC's first time with the MX as well. Homeboy should have called the Bomb Squad and asked or something. The DIT was a complete know-nothing (actually called the M-X the "Mysterion" I'm not making this up). The guys they rented the R1-MX from had NO IDEA how the new sensor and build 30 worked at all and didn't help the AC's prep the package correctly, so...whatever.

As to what Richard Darge was saying: this was a camera test, and I wasn't in the driver's seat, just along for the ride and thought I'd hit the forum with my iphone between setups to avoid a complete FAIL for everyone involved.

My conclusion after very carefully monitoring the whole scenario:
Can't wait to get my hands on one of these puppies and shoot something. Very Very excited.

In any case, don't want to say too much more as this is a Real Name forum and I could get myself into some hot water I'm sure. Wicked. Safe. Creative.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oVPkm5zE6QI
 
Dan Kanes said:
I was suggesting Redcolor, and varying the iso to our two test conditions (high key, low key)

But as the GAFFER of today's test shoot I decided to let the AC and DP figure it out on their own and do the politically correct, safe thing by keeping my mouth shut and just metering the whole thing at 800 (compensating for ND filtration when in of course).

This was the DP's first time using the Red One MX, and the AC's first time with the MX as well. Homeboy should have called the Bomb Squad and asked or something. The DIT was a complete know-nothing (actually called the M-X the "Mysterion" I'm not making this up). The guys they rented the R1-MX from had NO IDEA how the new sensor and build 30 worked at all and didn't help the AC's prep the package correctly, so...whatever.

As to what Richard Darge was saying: this was a camera test, and I wasn't in the driver's seat, just along for the ride and thought I'd hit the forum with my iphone between setups to avoid a complete FAIL for everyone involved.

My conclusion after very carefully monitoring the whole scenario:
Can't wait to get my hands on one of these puppies and shoot something. Very Very excited.

In any case, don't want to say too much more as this is a Real Name forum and I could get myself into some hot water I'm sure. Wicked. Safe. Creative.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oVPkm5zE6QI
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That youtube is hilarious - seems like one in an entire series! :thumbup1:
 
Dan Kanes said:
Totally, this unnamed AC was saying that someone unnamed person at Red told him you should always set the iso to 800 and then use ND filters to bring exposure down - like an n1.2 in broad daylight, but still rate the sensor at 800. I was like "WTF - that doesn't seem right." Why not rate at 320 (or even lower if you need/want) and then use ND to put your iris where you want it...maybe I'm wrong but this just seemed like a dumb thing to do - like "always rate it 800?" huhhhh???
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There are many other threads that talk about this - and this thread is getting a little sidetracked.

But generally speaking you move your ISO around depending on wether you need to favor shadow detail or highlight information. In some cases it may make sense to rate your daytime exteriors at 1000 and use loads of ND or conversely - rate your night exteriors at 200 ISO (although you would need a hefty lighting budget!!!).

Before you ask for an explanation - search the forum. Loads of previous conversations on this topic.
 
jbeale said:
Jim did say the sensitivity (in engineering terms) of the MX and the M sensors are the same. So if you just care about raw levels, you can rate the two sensors exactly the same.
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Still slightly off topic - but can't help myself... :001_smile:
I found this to be fairly accurate in the comparison I did.
I put a gray card in front of both cameras and set the T-stops to make the gray card "green" in RAW/false color. The X sensor needed to be stopped down an extra third of a stop than the M sensor in order to make them match.
The cameras were side by side.
 
Jarred, Brent, can you please tell us what the current status is? We have productions going on in three weeks and need to plan and speak with the DoPs if the cameras would stay longer in california.... thx

rainer
 
363 hasn't been delivered yet.. Going on Day 22..
They are still only up to serial 600 right now..
 
English Slow but sure.
German Langsam, aber sicher.
French Lentement mais sûrement.
Italian Chi va piano, va sano e va lontano.
Spanish Despacio, pero seguro.
Catalan Lent però segur.
Portuguese Devagar se vai ao longe.
Latin Tarde sed tute.
Russian Медленно, но верно.
Lithuanian Neskubėk ir būsi pirmas.
Serbo-Croat-Bosnian Polako, ali sigurno.
Yiddish לאנגזאם-אבער זיכער
Hebrew לאט אבל בטוח
Arabic ببطء ولكن بالتأكيد
Japanese ゆっくりだが、してください。
Chinese (simplified) 缓慢但肯定。
 
Sanjin Jukic said:
English Slow but sure.
German Langsam, aber sicher.
French Lentement mais sûrement.
Italian Chi va piano, va sano e va lontano.
Spanish El que anda despacio, anda con seguridad. Despocio, pero siguro.
Portuguese Devagar se vai ao longe.
Latin Tarde sed tute.
Lithuanian Neskubėk ir būsi pirmas.
Russian Медленно, но верно.
Serbo-Croat-Bosnian Polako, ali sigurno.
Yiddish לאנגזאם-אבער זיכער
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Hebrew לאט אבל בטוח
 
Sanjin Jukic said:
English Slow but sure.
German Langsam, aber sicher.
French Lentement mais sûrement.
Italian Chi va piano, va sano e va lontano.
Spanish Despacio, pero seguro.
Portuguese Devagar se vai ao longe.
Latin Tarde sed tute.
Russian Медленно, но верно.
Lithuanian Neskubėk ir būsi pirmas.
Serbo-Croat-Bosnian Polako, ali sigurno.
Yiddish לאנגזאם-אבער זיכער
Hebrew לאט אבל בטוח
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soon, enshallah.
 
Andrew clemson said:
soon, enshallah.
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Arabic, Catalan, Japanese and Chinese (simplified) also added.

Arabic ببطء ولكن بالتأكيد.
Catalan Lent però segur.
Japanese ゆっくりだが、してください。
Chinese (simplified) 缓慢但肯定。
 
Abel's own camera #188 is now MX and in the house.
 
lost in translation

lost in translation

Sanjin
who translated Japanese? It is pathetic and wrong.

Japanese = ゆっくりだが、確実
 
Norwegian = sakte men sikkert
 
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