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RED ONE M-X Sensor Upgrade Program

Steve Sherrick said:
In regards to the M-X upgrade program, I think the safest bet for everyone wondering where they are in the schedule, or how close it will be to Epic release, etc. is to wait for that email to land in your mailbox and at that moment see where things stand for you from a business perspective. If you receive it today for example, based on the information that has been released about potential timeframes for Epic/Scarlet releases, see if that gives you an appropriate amount of time to recoup the money on this upgrade. The way I see it, we just have to understand the complexity of what is going on here and never lose sight of the fact that Red is still a young company, still getting their processes smoothed out,and at the same time inventing a whole bunch of new stuff which requires new processes. I say live in the moment. When something becomes fact, i.e you receive an email that says your M-X upgrade is ready and the camera will be turned around in 7-10 days, then that's when you make a decision on whether it's worth it. The reality is, if they gave you a rough schedule, that's all it would be and won't change when that email actually lands.

In regards to Epic, I am not putting any kind of schedule on this for my business. I know it will get done. I know it will rock. But right now - it's not a product. Either is Scarlet. The R1 is something I have in my hands. It's something I can upgrade to M-X. Epic and Scarlet are cameras that when they do materialize and my number is called, will be new options to consider. They are extremely complex machinery. I expect them to take some time to get right. I expect delays, because honestly I believe that Jim is demanding more of them in terms of performance, reliability, and the shelf-readiness of them. I suspect they are less likely to give in to demands from the community to announce schedules and force the cameras out before they are ready. And I agree with this approach. There are high expectations on these new cameras. Much higher than first time around. They need to get it right. Fortunately, or perhaps unfortunately in some people's cases, Red is still keeping the community aware of products they are developing. For some of us, we like seeing where things are going. For others, perhaps this has grown old or new potential customers haven't been around since the beginning and expect that when something is announced it will ship soon after. Either way, I think this process requires patience and it requires smart business models. For me, I can plan for it on the side, but it's not something that I've attached a delivery date on. When it's available, I'll react.

In the meantime, I need to make some money and have fun with the R1.
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Very well said Steve!
 
The meta data cable is the white wire just under the mount.

The mount was changed on October 10th and had not been touched since. After changing the mount we shot a full length feature on it "The Afflicted" http://vimeo.com/9080896 and then did several commercial jobs following the film with no issues. No dropped frames, never a boot issue, never a problem. On Dec 17th, the camera would not boot. We rented a RED from CVT in Miami that night which saved our shoot for the next morning.

Removing the cable is like buying insurance for me. I can guarantee you that I won't have that problem again. If a pinched meta data cable can cause a camera to burn its sensor board, it should be discussed much more than it is.

We were extremely careful replacing the mount and tucking the wire in its channel. There should also be some sort of a gasket to hold it securely in place if the risk is burning the board.

I still can't believe that I have a camera that's non functioning from a pinched meta data cable. It's pretty hard to swallow.
 
Steve Sherrick said:
If you receive it today for example, based on the information that has been released about potential timeframes for Epic/Scarlet releases, see if that gives you an appropriate amount of time to recoup the money on this upgrade.
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Hey Steve

What information has been released about timeframes for Epic and Scarlet?

I wasn't at RED day and the only responses I have seen from our friends at RED have been things like "Epic will be released when it is done".

I'm not busting balls here - so don't misinterpret my "tone" folks - just wondering if I missed something.
 
Dylan Macleod said:
Hey Steve

What information has been released about timeframes for Epic and Scarlet?

I wasn't at RED day and the only responses I have seen from our friends at RED have been things like "Epic will be released when it is done".

I'm not busting balls here - so don't misinterpret my "tone" folks - just wondering if I missed something.
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Jim made it seem that Tattoos would be released before the summer and a month or so after those are out in the field they would being getting the production models out the door. Of course subject to change but that is what I remember hearing.
 
Andrew Walker said:
Looks like the MX upgrades are back on track. I'm picking up RED #127 later today. Got the call from RED this morning.
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Thanks Andrew,

this is excellent news.
 
Guys would be possible have a word from Red about having a very very aproximate idea about timing to get to serial number 3000?
I know that it's complicated to say buy would be possible know if we are talking about a few or several months ?

Thanks!
G
 
Gabriele Turchi said:
Guys would be possible have a word from Red about having a very very aproximate idea about timing to get to serial number 3000?
I know that it's complicated to say buy would be possible know if we are talking about a few or several months ?

Thanks!
G
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july-august my guess
 
My feeling is once they get through the first 1000, the process will ramp because of more efficient allocation. Hopefully more hands on and the refinement of procedure and less percentage of cameras participating. I'm hoping to get in there asap but am not holding anything back in the meantime. #6000 feels like it could be by summer or 2011. I'm gonna stop thinking about it.
 
I guess it may depend on how many intend to happily stick with their R1 and get it upgraded, and how many are intending to trade in for the EPIC discount and are hoping that the extra wait wont offset the benefits of having the M-X sensor a few months sooner
 
Jon B. said:
My feeling is once they get through the first 1000, the process will ramp because of more efficient allocation. Hopefully more hands on and the refinement of procedure and less percentage of cameras participating. I'm hoping to get in there asap but am not holding anything back in the meantime. #6000 feels like it could be by summer or 2011. I'm gonna stop thinking about it.
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my thinking exactly. i'm right behind you.

first up: that sweet 17-50mm lens...
 
Is it true that the red one m-x is presently only capable of displaying out in Raw color space or is the new redspace available. An Ac I know might be spreading FUD (or not) need to know now(ish).


Also for a camera test should we be rating at 800 or 320 for base results. Again, more FUD fighting.
Thanks!
 
Dan Kanes said:
Is it true that the red one m-x is presently only capable of displaying out in Raw color space or is the new redspace available. An Ac I know might be spreading FUD (or not) need to know now(ish).


Also for a camera test should we be rating at 800 or 320 for base results. Again, more FUD fighting.
Thanks!
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That is FUD about the display color space and it always seems that ACs are the main people that are talking out of their ass. The ISO 800 statement can slide around a little bit. But it has been stated that the MX sensor is rated at ISO 800, just like the M sensor was rated at ISO 320.
 
Andrew Walker said:
The ISO 800 statement can slide around a little bit. But it has been stated that the MX sensor is rated at ISO 800, just like the M sensor was rated at ISO 320.
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Jim did say the sensitivity (in engineering terms) of the MX and the M sensors are the same. So if you just care about raw levels, you can rate the two sensors exactly the same.

BUT if you care about image quality, the MX has so much less noise that you can rate it at 800 and still get as clean an image as the M rated at 320, and still enjoy additional highlight protection (assuming you are exposing as rated). Some people might say this means the MX is effectively more "sensitive" although it's just a question of what definition you choose for that word. Certainly, it's lower noise.
 
Andrew Walker said:
That is FUD about the display color space and it always seems that ACs are the main people that are talking out of their ass. The ISO 800 statement can slide around a little bit. But it has been stated that the MX sensor is rated at ISO 800, just like the M sensor was rated at ISO 320.
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Totally, this unnamed AC was saying that someone unnamed person at Red told him you should always set the iso to 800 and then use ND filters to bring exposure down - like an n1.2 in broad daylight, but still rate the sensor at 800. I was like "WTF - that doesn't seem right." Why not rate at 320 (or even lower if you need/want) and then use ND to put your iris where you want it...maybe I'm wrong but this just seemed like a dumb thing to do - like "always rate it 800?" huhhhh???
 
Dan Kanes said:
Totally, this unnamed AC was saying that someone unnamed person at Red told him you should always set the iso to 800 and then use ND filters to bring exposure down - like an n1.2 in broad daylight, but still rate the sensor at 800. I was like "WTF - that doesn't seem right." Why not rate at 320 (or even lower if you need/want) and then use ND to put your iris where you want it...maybe I'm wrong but this just seemed like a dumb thing to do - like "always rate it 800?" huhhhh???
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..and that's why we TEST before we shoot.. it's always a trade off
 
Dan Kanes said:
Totally, this unnamed AC was saying that someone unnamed person at Red told him you should always set the iso to 800 and then use ND filters to bring exposure down - like an n1.2 in broad daylight, but still rate the sensor at 800. I was like "WTF - that doesn't seem right." Why not rate at 320 (or even lower if you need/want) and then use ND to put your iris where you want it...maybe I'm wrong but this just seemed like a dumb thing to do - like "always rate it 800?" huhhhh???
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This may be true. Many sensors (such as those in DLSR's) can be rated at lower ISO than the baseline but this will often result in reduced dynamic range. I know that if you rate a EOS 1 DS mk3 at 50 instead of 100 you have less detail in the highlights (less DR) or your highlights are prone to clip faster. Going form 800 to 320 ISO is a similar jump. you might get less noise, a creamier texture, etc. but could have problems with highlights. Just my $0.02
 
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