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RED ONE collectors...

Jannard said:
So what are RED ONEs actually worth?

My opinion…

Prototypes Boris and Natasha- Priceless. 1st RED ONEs to shoot footage, 1st project was Peter Jackson's "Crossing the Line" 2007. Current location- the Vault.

Any named prototypes, like the ones used to shoot Ché. $300K.

#1- Priceless. Sits in original box and has never been opened since the day it was packaged. It is the ultimate time capsule. Current location- the Vault.

$6- $200K. "Elvis", 1st camera delivered outside RED. Not exactly sure why it would be worth less than a new Sony F35, but not sure why that camera sells for so much. Current location- OffHollywood.
#7- $200K. "Bond"… you know, 007. Current location- OffHollywood.

#31- $175K. The single RED ONE that has shot absolutely the most projects. This camera will be famous. Already is actually. Current location- Dino.

Serial number under 100- $40K. These will be collector's items and a huge part of history.

Your thoughts?

Jim
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My thoughts on collectors and collections is, you have important milestone collections that affect the way things are done. Those are museum pieces that are important to everyone.

Then you have individual products from that same line that are newer, updated versions of the first products. Those are family heirlooms that are either important to family members, or more broadly important because of what the owner of the item achieved.
 
If I had a functional RED One with a low-number and he wanted it for 200K, I'd sell in a heartbeat and give the money right back to him (metaphorically speaking) by investing it in a replacement RED setup and additional post equipment. He doesn't really put his name out there often when it comes to buying things for himself as he likes his privacy and it's not often people get to meet him let alone deal with him in any way so I'd definitely jump at the chance if I ever had something Jim Jannard wanted or needed, apart from any critical irreplaceable organs I currently use, and sell it to him just to say I sold him something. At the very least, I might get to have one of those awesome metal machined brick-like business cards he gives out.

As for what I think the RED camera is really worth to the founder of RED digital cinema? Well, I think they are all priceless to him from a certain point of view. Every single camera and accessory shipped out from Orange County is made from his frustration, joy, anger, and idealism mixed with those very same things from the great minds he employs to help him bring his ideas from napkins, notebooks, and whatever other writing surfaces he may use to the online RED Store. Every bit of RED footage he sees projected on a screen probably has value to him as well as he can say to himself "I made that happen by doing it the way it needed to be done." Even though he might not admit it and we won't ever ask him to, I really think that has probably been at the core of everything he has ever done in business. Just my two dysfunctional cents.
 
What I think a lot of people forget is that Red is indeed a great tool for those of us who are artists and want to tell stories that are hopefully relevant about the human condition. So as for milestones of course Red has been (and continues to be) hugely significant from a qualitative and affordability POV.

However, when it comes to collecting we should really remember that we're only on this earth for so long.

As they say, when you die you can't take it with you.
 
Felix K. said:
I guess just another Red One, the lucky bastard! :))

Chris, the RED in your picture looks a little like "find the odd one out" :)
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Does doesn't it....

there's some other interesting stuff on the shelf besides cameras.... a 1960's geiger counter, some unopened kodachrome from 1937, some WWII cameras with the bomber insignia painted on the cases, some very early waterhouse lenses.

I have a few pretty neat things I've inherited from my father as well.... he was in the CIA and was involved with the SR71 blackbird from the early 60's until it was mothballed in 1990ish.... I used to raid his tool box in the garage when I was a kid and steal titanium nuts and bolts and put them on my mongoose BMX bike ( I'm guessing 79-80 ).... incidentally, I remember him telling me the SR71 went "digital" in the early 80's, but also have fond memories of him showing me 9" recon film rolls and pointing out Russian Subs. I got into photography around 10 years old because of my Father... he would have been very thrilled to see the RED but passed away 5 years ago.

Since I've rambled here ( 5 shots of espresso this morn,,, sorry ) here's a pic of my father with that baddest camera platform every made! The SR71... miss ya Dad!
dad.jpg
 
christopher witzke said:
Does doesn't it....

there's some other interesting stuff on the shelf besides cameras.... a 1960's geiger counter, some unopened kodachrome from 1937, some WWII cameras with the bomber insignia painted on the cases, some very early waterhouse lenses.

I have a few pretty neat things I've inherited from my father as well.... he was in the CIA and was involved with the SR71 blackbird from the early 60's until it was mothballed in 1990ish.... I used to raid his tool box in the garage when I was a kid and steal titanium nuts and bolts and put them on my mongoose BMX bike ( I'm guessing 79-80 ).... incidentally, I remember him telling me the SR71 went "digital" in the early 80's, but also have fond memories of him showing me 9" recon film rolls and pointing out Russian Subs. I got into photography around 10 years old because of my Father... he would have been very thrilled to see the RED but passed away 5 years ago.

Since I've rambled here ( 5 shots of espresso this morn,,, sorry ) here's a pic of my father with that baddest camera platform every made! The SR71... miss ya Dad!
dad.jpg
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I miss him too and didn't even know him. Nice story.
 
Jannard said:
I shot every Oakley ad for 20 years... and this commercial. Actually, I wrote it, directed it, was DP, set designer, and film loader. 6 people total. Not saying it is that good... 1992.

Jim

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l1i5c-EJKZM

Co-wrote and produced this one with Brent Thomas and Mark Coppos... 1991.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EGaO3_UWWjA
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Jim,

I have to say that it really means a lot to me to know that you actually know what you're doing with a camera and can run a film shoot. People usually describe the founder of RED as "the guy who founded Oakley and is just really into cameras". It's awesome to see that you are a talented storyteller as well. Thanks for everything you do.

Julio
 
Julio Quintana said:
Jim,

I have to say that it really means a lot to me to know that you actually know what you're doing with a camera and can run a film shoot. People usually describe the founder of RED as "the guy who founded Oakley and is just really into cameras". It's awesome to see that you are a talented storyteller as well. Thanks for everything you do.

Julio
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I totally agree!

You are what you eat! and to know that RED is in it for love makes it taste better!
 
I have been saying for a year now that Red #31 should go to the Smithsonian.

The mere fact that Malick shot parts of "Tree of Life" on that camera alone makes it legendary, IMO.
 
"The camera is arguably one of the most important of all inventions… it is the single tool that has the ability to stop time, record history, generate art, tell stories, and communicate messages that transcend language like nothing else ever conceived." Jim Jannard

It is pretty easy to see why milestone cameras are coveted by collectors passionate about photography.

Jim
 
I have one of Universal's 400' Arriflex mags that worked on Jaws. Wonder what it's worth?
 
Jannard said:
"The camera is arguably one of the most important of all inventions… it is the single tool that has the ability to stop time, record history, generate art, tell stories, and communicate messages that transcend language like nothing else ever conceived." Jim Jannard

It is pretty easy to see why milestone cameras are coveted by collectors passionate about photography.

Jim
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Agreed, but your pricing is WAY off... :) I wouldnt sell #103 for $200K.
especially since technically its #98 in the wild given 1-5 are owned by you :)
I consider it a SUB 100 Camera :)

Definitely keeping mine forever... its priceless to me.
 
christopher witzke said:
here's a pic of my father with that baddest camera platform every made! The SR71... miss ya Dad!
dad.jpg
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Damn that makes me so angry... my 3rd grade teacher was the wife of Tom Henicheck, an SR71 Navigator—and she gave me two signed (and BEAUTIFUL) 8x10 photographs of the plane from back when it was still classified...

BUT I LOST THEM BECAUSE I WAS JUST A STUPID KID! D:<
 
Jannard said:
I shot every Oakley ad for 20 years... and this commercial. Actually, I wrote it, directed it, was DP, set designer, and film loader. 6 people total. Not saying it is that good... 1992.

Jim

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l1i5c-EJKZM
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I really like the look of this. Was that in a real location or in some studio setup? The concrete and harsh white light look really impressive... I don't know why, but I feel reminded of Twelve Monkeys.

I'm always interesting to see certain locations used, or styles of set design... because some locations (like the one in your video) just look amazing on film.

Also, the guy is so 90's! He looks like the Highlander dude.
 
Chris Clogg said:
I really like the look of this. Was that in a real location or in some studio setup? The concrete and harsh white light look really impressive... I don't know why, but I feel reminded of Twelve Monkeys.

I'm always interesting to see certain locations used, or styles of set design... because some locations (like the one in your video) just look amazing on film.

Also, the guy is so 90's! He looks like the Highlander dude.
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Interesting enough... "Max Fearlight" (1991) was shot at the old Ren-Mar Studios which is now RED Studios Hollywood!

"Session 1242" (1992) was shot in my then 2200 sq.ft. warehouse.

Jim
 
Jannard said:
"The camera is arguably one of the most important of all inventions… it is the single tool that has the ability to stop time, record history, generate art, tell stories, and communicate messages that transcend language like nothing else ever conceived." Jim Jannard

It is pretty easy to see why milestone cameras are coveted by collectors passionate about photography.

Jim
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Like math, images are a true universal language.
 
am i right in thinking that, the first person to put down their deposit on scarlet will be getting the 0001 scarlet??? or actually probably the 6th since jim would keep the first 5 hehe. if that is the truth, i will sit on my computer for 10 hours hitting the refresh button until that glorious *down payment* button shows up. :)

Love ya red
 
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