RED Komodo-X

[James Sielaff]

Yeah you can export, but it’s a bit of a hassle. A dedicated stills mode would be a much more pleasant experience.

You don’t enjoy downloading 1TB of raw footage to then scrub through and try to find if frame 1,296 is better than frame 1,297? Then out of some compulsion not be able to delete the 1TB of footage and now need to purchase another hard drive?

 

[Phil Holland]

Almost sure the last 3 "foxy tests" on Jarred IG were shot on Komodo-x :

Image wise, Komodo-x seems to be in Raptor league which is a superb news..

I was suspecting as much, particularly the last one he pushed out. Impossible to discern anything from that image, but we'll have to assume Komodo-X gets a little boost in image quality for sure. How much? Unknown. I'd be happy with an extra two thirds of a stop, but if we get more jazz than that with increased frame rates, we have something pretty special. I'd be happy with 60fps in this case, but if RED figures out how to do higher fps at full res and keeps the power draw down, that would be awesome. There's zero chance Komodo-X will be as power friendly as Komodo at 28Wh draw, but if we're at 40-60Wh with the new hardware like CFx and the ability to drive a DSMC3 touch display, that would be be pretty amazing.

More and more, I think back to Jarred saying Komodo is a "baby Dragon". Adding up the nibbles from that stream, I'm betting we'll be pretty close to that with the bonus of global shutter.

Won't have to wait too much longer. RED's teased something going down on the 16th of May 2023. I'm betting that's specs and preorder day for at least Stormtrooper bodies.

Here's a bit of me thinking too hard though.

For those good at pausing, in that teaser is:
61+72+89 (adds up to 222 whatever that means)
72 & 83 & 90

The second row of numbers to me scream frame rates for different max res formats like 17:9/16:9, 2:1, and 2.4:1. First row, no freaking clue as 61 and 89 are weird numbers, but not as weird if you add them together. But. Dragon topped out at 6K 83fps for it's 6144x3160 resolution. I'm hoping if this thing is 6K, RED goes with 6144x3240 to fit in with the format/aspect ratio scheme set forth by the DSMC3 bodies. If this is 6K and those are frame rates, we can assume 4K 120fps is very possible here.

If any of that is true, the question then goes to data rates and internal hardware. We pretty much know CFx is happening. If this thing is 6K the ask from there is if this Komodo-X can hit those frame rates all in REDCODE RAW HQ. Or maybe a medley of HQ and MQ. Hard to speculate there. Similarly Dual Record for REDCODE RAW and ProRes, wouldn't be shocked if it can't handle that, but would be pretty wild if it could.

The mega additional question. Jarred said it's a new sensor. Did they keep it the same size as Komodo 6K S35 or do the thing for maximum S35 lens compatibly they did with Raptor 8K S35. Or go hardcore towards some synergy with the Raptor 8K VV in 6K resolution. Those are all three fairly different format sizes that could mean lots of things depending on what you're after.

 

[Phil Holland]

Any sense of if Red made a real pro level EVF this time? Or just the obligatory framer tube?

The only thing we know is they've been working on it for a long while now. I don't exactly think they are aiming low here as the people pushing for it are fairly demanding filmmakers.

The big question that still remains for me is if it's SDI based or RMI based. I do personally prefer a one cable solution with hopefully some communication with the camera controls. I know some will want cross camera compatibility though.

The other real question for me is if it's RMI based can it be used in tandem with the Touch. That workflow which spawned out of DSMC2 for me is something I miss currently in DSMC3.

 

[Han Vogen]

I’m not really a high frame rates person. I was frankly more interested in built in eVND. Don’t think we’ll see that. Also, greater power draw means larger batteries… larger rig… larger everything. Part of the magic of the OG Komodo was the small size. I’m fearing the script might have been lost?

 

[rand thompson]

Info Deleted.:thumbsup:

 

[Phil Holland]

Phil Maybe it's,

Jarred just confirmed that these numbers are meaningless. So throw away all that speculation.

 

[James Sielaff]

The only thing we know is they've been working on it for a long while now. I don't exactly think they are aiming low here as the people pushing for it are fairly demanding filmmakers.

The big question that still remains for me is if it's SDI based or RMI based. I do personally prefer a one cable solution with hopefully some communication with the camera controls. I know some will want cross camera compatibility though.

The other real question for me is if it's RMI based can it be used in tandem with the Touch. That workflow which spawned out of DSMC2 for me is something I miss currently in DSMC3.

I’m with you there, one cable is preferred.

what was it about the tandem aspect in DSMC2 that wasn’t part of DSMC1?

 

[rand thompson]

Interesting, I was just thinking, I would love a stills shooting mode on Komodo/X… why not actually? Lots of stills cameras shoot video. Why do no video cameras shoot stills?

Han,

But what kind of stills Capture rate could be achieved with a video oriented camera? I think just recording video in the Komodo-X at a higher shutter speed( faster than the 180 Degree Shutter angle of 1/48th of a second to remove some motion blur between frames) then using REDCINE-X in the "STILLS WORKFLOW" mode to capture frames while you watched the RED.r3d file you wanted capture still/s from.

 

[Han Vogen]

https://www.instagram.com/reel/CsAYib5gIIU/?igshid=NTc4MTIwNjQ2YQ==

 

[Chris Schmid]

Spent some time comparing the size of the Komodo-X camera with the Komodo and V-raptor, using the RF mount as a reference. Although not very precise, I think it provides a rough idea ;-)

 

[Phil Holland]

Jarred's been very careful to really only show the front and bottom of the body. Getting very curious about those aspects now. Particularly as we don't see the WiFi antennae protruding. Also with this new found surface area, I'm beginning to think there's some jazz on the AC side of the body we can't see. We know there's a media slot on the Op side. And with this slight height increase, I/O as well as power really is on my mind.

Sensor size can pretty much be extrapolated from the video. Interesting to see the new flocking inside the sensor chamber. Several immediate thoughts related to the RMI adapter and what is needed for the RED PL Mount to be rock solid here. Likely a similar rib strap to the current Komodo design, but likely a wider and slightly taller take on that. Interesting to see this new locking collar handle versus Raptor's.

DSMC3 outside of Raptor XL (which will be bigger no matter what) is a very cubic lineup when it comes down to it. I dig that.

 

[Alexander Thomson]

My guess is 4x4x5.5". I think cages will have to be all new but Timmy Ribs might be able to bolt straight on.

I bet RED's RF PL adapter will be compatible with both KOMODO and KOMODO-X. That way, those who need built in NDs can buy the adapter module -- which keeps the base price of the body $2,000 lower. Suddenly, $9,995 doesn't seem so far out of reach.

Only a few more days until we find out

 

[James Sielaff]

Spent some time comparing the size of the Komodo-X camera with the Komodo and V-raptor, using the RF mount as a reference. Although not very precise, I think it provides a rough idea ;-)

This kind of sleuthing reminds me of some of the early days of reduser announcements. :,)

 

[Mendes Nabil]

Komodo-X has been engineered as an A-cam from the start, the image has certainly improved towards the Raptor line.
And the last foxy clip shows a taller sensor of an almost "open gate" size, which is special..

As for power consumption, i'm with you Phil, the only way to keep it kind of low is by downsizing the sensor resolution to 5k..

If i have to bet on the dimensions, i would say "4,5 x 4,5 x 5,5"

Can't wait for May 16..

 

[Erik Vanlenten]

Anyone got a theory on how the "modules" will attach to DSMC3 bodies? As it stands right now V or G mount seems to be the way, with cable runs ect. Maybe Komodo X has some pins on the back to make it a bit more flexible like DSMC2?‍

 

[Scott Balkum]

Spent some time comparing the size of the Komodo-X camera with the Komodo and V-raptor, using the RF mount as a reference. Although not very precise, I think it provides a rough idea ;-)

This is some solid detective work. I was almost convinced it was 4x4x5 but with this, I think it might 4.5x4.5x5.5” as Mendes says. New cages might be required but also, might be adapted with a new bottom plate, depending on the design. I don’t know about the taller sensor. I feel it might just be an optical illusion (pun intended). But I am excited for what an all new sensor might bring to the table. RED rarely ever goes backwards unless they do it gain something significant. Komodo went slightly backwards in DR to gain GS so.. Let’s hope for forward movement, even if only slightly. Everything, small or large, will make X all the more powerful.

 

[TYLER STOOKSBURY]

Anyone got a theory on how the "modules" will attach to DSMC3 bodies? As it stands right now V or G mount seems to be the way, with cable runs ect. Maybe Komodo X has some pins on the back to make it a bit more flexible like DSMC2?‍

That is a good question. It's really tough to know for sure. These seem like they might be specific to komodo-x, right? Did they mention them being used on V-Raptor? I'd think there would have to be some way for the camera to commuicate with the module so you might be onto something with the pins.

Im very interested in knowing where the price is going to land. I really would love it if they could keep it under or at 10k, but im not holding my breath for that. If it gets above 12k i kind of feel that maybe then i'd be getting into S35 V-Raptor territory instead.

 

[Gabriel Scindian]

Spent some time comparing the size of the Komodo-X camera with the Komodo and V-raptor, using the RF mount as a reference. Although not very precise, I think it provides a rough idea ;-)

Komodo-X will have the same height and width of the current Komodo. However the length should be greater.

 

[Erik Vanlenten]

That is a good question. It's really tough to know for sure. These seem like they might be specific to komodo-x, right? Did they mention them being used on V-Raptor? I'd think there would have to be some way for the camera to commuicate with the module so you might be onto something with the pins.

Im very interested in knowing where the price is going to land. I really would love it if they could keep it under or at 10k, but im not holding my breath for that. If it gets above 12k i kind of feel that maybe then i'd be getting into S35 V-Raptor territory instead.

I think Komodo X might be the "flexible" camera platform in this lineup. More inline with DSMC2 with different modules for different situations. We'll find out next week I guess...

 

[Han Vogen]

Spent some time comparing the size of the Komodo-X camera with the Komodo and V-raptor, using the RF mount as a reference. Although not very precise, I think it provides a rough idea ;-)

This is off. Jarred already confirmed that he would bet heavily that it will be the same height and width as Komodo. A quick play in photoshop reveals the opening for the mount is larger in this image than that on the Komodo.