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  • Hey all, just changed over the backend after 15 years I figured time to give it a bit of an update, its probably gonna be a bit weird for most of you and i am sure there is a few bugs to work out but it should kinda work the same as before... hopefully :)

RED DSMC Motion Mount has arrived!

Phil Holland in "The Educator" coming to a thread near you.

A technical artful soul with great patience to educate.

A must see.

Thanks Phil....
 
Idle thought... which is the better immediate upgrade; move from Scarlet to Epic ($9500) or purchase Motion Mount ($3900)?? Any opinions?
 
" Today, 12:52 PM
Idle thought... which is the better immediate upgrade; move from Scarlet to Epic ($9500) or purchase Motion Mount ($3900)?? Any opinions?"

That's EASY, epic.
 
Jake Wilganowski said:
" Today, 12:52 PM
Idle thought... which is the better immediate upgrade; move from Scarlet to Epic ($9500) or purchase Motion Mount ($3900)?? Any opinions?"

That's EASY, epic.
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EPIC!!
 
Terry VerHaar said:
Idle thought... which is the better immediate upgrade; move from Scarlet to Epic ($9500) or purchase Motion Mount ($3900)?? Any opinions?
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easy...epic...as someone coming from scarlet: it is a totally different camera...

thanks phil for doing all this...so much info...the different shutter options are bending my mind a bit right now....
 
I don't have images handy, and I'm currently on location on a shoot in New Zealand, but I can tell you all some additional detail to what Phil has posted here.

First, in my testing, I DID see IR contamination at high levels of ND-ONLY mode on the Motion Mount. Using additional IRND with high levels of Motion Mount ND was also not the cleanest solution either, as both introduce some skewed color response. Now, there IS a component of a Hot Mirror built within the Motion Mount itself, so when using it, Hot Mirrors are not required. This however does not eliminate the need for IRND to be a potential component to filtering when using the Motion Mount. For me, the best case scenario was to use half and half. A light level of Motion Mount ND (up to .9) and then a likewise level of IRND.

The Motion Mount DOES affect the back focus collimation. If switching between mounts, Put a confirmed lens on the camera, set it to an exact focus mark, (say 5') and zoom in on the full 5K and adjust your sensor back focus. If not, you could see issues on wide angel lenses where back focus is most critical.

Both Square and Soft Shutter modes are most effective at lower framerates... When shooting high speed, expect to see some small level of split frames with the use of strobes, flashes, gunfire, ect... At slower frame rates, Soft Shutter is nearly as effective as Square Shutter for strobe control, but allows more intensity of the flash to be captured. Square Shutter cuts down the intensity somewhat.

I will be shooting multiple Lightning Strikes units in a moody forest scene and will be putting the Shuttering modes to their test! I'll see if I can sneak in an iPhone grab off a monitor to illustrate the results.

I also will be possibly switching between normal PL mounts and Motion Mounts between sequences.

Stay Tuned.
 
Christopher Probst said:
I don't have images handy, and I'm currently on location on a shoot in New Zealand, but I can tell you all some additional detail to what Phil has posted here.

First, in my testing, I DID see IR contamination at high levels of ND-ONLY mode on the Motion Mount. Using additional IRND with high levels of Motion Mount ND was also not the cleanest solution either, as both introduce some skewed color response. Now, there IS a component of a Hot Mirror built within the Motion Mount itself, so when using it, Hot Mirrors are not required. This however does not eliminate the need for IRND to be a potential component to filtering when using the Motion Mount. For me, the best case scenario was to use half and half. A light level of Motion Mount ND (up to .9) and then a likewise level of IRND.

The Motion Mount DOES affect the back focus collimation. If switching between mounts, Put a confirmed lens on the camera, set it to an exact focus mark, (say 5') and zoom in on the full 5K and adjust your sensor back focus. If not, you could see issues on wide angel lenses where back focus is most critical.

Both Square and Soft Shutter modes are most effective at lower framerates... When shooting high speed, expect to see some small level of split frames with the use of strobes, flashes, gunfire, ect... At slower frame rates, Soft Shutter is nearly as effective as Square Shutter for strobe control, but allows more intensity of the flash to be captured. Square Shutter cuts down the intensity somewhat.

I will be shooting multiple Lightning Strikes units in a moody forest scene and will be putting the Shuttering modes to their test! I'll see if I can sneak in an iPhone grab off a monitor to illustrate the results.

I also will be possibly switching between normal PL mounts and Motion Mounts between sequences.

Stay Tuned.
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is this on Epic or Dragon? i am just assuming that there will be different results with each?
 
Corey_O said:
Phil Holland in "The Educator" coming to a thread near you.

A technical artful soul with great patience to educate.

A must see.

Thanks Phil....
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Heh. Thanks for the love. Appreciate it.


Roger Viloria said:
Thanks Phil, this is great info. I can't wait to get this unit.
Could you share some r3ds from the tests please?
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Yep. I'll upload a few .R3Ds of random stuff tonight after I'm done eating dinner.


paul schefz said:
thanks phil for doing all this...so much info...the different shutter options are bending my mind a bit right now....
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It's really interesting. I need to shoot a couple humans on camera with a few types of moves. Square Shutter is obviously valuable and is something everybody wants. However, Soft Shutter has this creamy/dreamy thing going on while maintaining a natural look. Really dig that. I think a lot of folks will be using the ND Only Mode as it's just extremely convenient.


Christopher Probst said:
First, in my testing, I DID see IR contamination at high levels of ND-ONLY mode on the Motion Mount.
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Thanks for the info Christopher. Yep. I did see a bit of warmness in my hair, although not much in my black shirt, in that daylight ND Only Mode 8 stop clip posted. I have been using the Motion Mount a bunch in the 6 stop range and that's where I'm feeling real comfy with it.
 
Chad Lancaster said:
Did you find the need to redo back focus when changing between regular and MM titanium mounts?
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Using primes, not really unless your scales are way off. Using zooms and maintaining focus across the range, yes.
 
Phil Holland said:
Using primes, not really unless your scales are way off. Using zooms and maintaining focus across the range, yes.
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Main issue would be if you could not reach infinity on wide lenses, or if you work with an AC....
Or that you go out of focus when changing the stop on your lens.
 
I guess (have not tried of course) that with the way you change backfocus on the Epic, you could have two "angles" on the screw, between which you could change rather rapidly and be within "tolerance" for both mounts.

Would have to try, but it is not unlikely.
 
Phil Holland said:
It's really interesting. I need to shoot a couple humans on camera with a few types of moves. Square Shutter is obviously valuable and is something everybody wants. However, Soft Shutter has this creamy/dreamy thing going on while maintaining a natural look. Really dig that. I think a lot of folks will be using the ND Only Mode as it's just extremely convenient.
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the soft shutter does look very interesting....regardless, looks like there are a LOT of options with this other then simple ND....but to be able to control all this from a menu in camera is very, very nice....
focus issue is a little worrying....but i guess dragon more or less turns to epic (in regard to base iso) with the motion mount in place? if that is the case then it would stay on the camera for 99% of the time anyway....
 
Great then I finaly get some use for my red focus...

Bought it, checked the backfocus that was dead on, checkd again a few times after that and it always been booringly on... with this motion mount thing I might get some use for it :)
 
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