RED Dragon vs. 65mm film...

[Paul Harb]

Global shutter, better color rendering/skin tones, highlight protection, power and heat management, DR, and full frame. Id take these over 6k but thats me.

 

[Nick Morrison]

Every lens works with Dragon. You just might have to select a slightly smaller resolution if you have a small image circle lens.

Jim

Awesome. Quick question. As Ryan De Franco has been quietly pleading over the past month or so, will there be a way to label resolutions by the common image circles they cover? For example, 5K S35mm, 3K S16mm, etc? Just so its super clear what lenses work at what resolutions?

Thanks!

 

[Adam Pitchie]

Excited that the sensor is surpassing the DR of film...epic indeed.

 

[Terry VerHaar]

Have a nice day....Jim

And to you as well, Sir!!!

 

[Marc Wielage]

Global shutter, better color rendering/skin tones, highlight protection, power and heat management, DR, and full frame. Id take these over 6k but thats me.

Very hard to argue with that. I agree that those are far greater day-to-day issues and concerns than resolution alone.

 

[Eric Santiago]

The LCD/EVF on my Epic plugs in differently, what am I looking at?

Hmmm that is different.

 

[Liana]

The Dragon has an easy 16 stops... without sweating.

What is the dynamic range of your typical LCD TV (shamelssly marketed as "LED" TV) being sold to consumers these days at typical brightness levels? 10? 11?

While acquiring widest possible DR while shooting the footage is ideal, I wonder if content meant for TV might look better if people compress the dynamic range in post (bit like adjusting the curves). Otherwise the visuals might get that weak contrast "HDR" look.

Cinema should be okay, the Red projetors will hopefully have a better DR than modern LCD TVs.

 

[Björn Benckert]

Global shutter, better color rendering/skin tones, highlight protection, power and heat management, DR, and full frame. Id take these over 6k but thats me.

we shot 25minutes takes this weekend for a feature with camera close to dialoge actors... first we had problems with the fan kicking in 15 minutes into the shots, then we changed the setting to 30% manual and the fan noise was fine... Compared to any film camera its more than fine. Compare it to cameras that has the same pixel count as my iphone is not fair I think. Shooting 5K almost quiet should be considered quite amazing I think.

 

[Robert Cook]

I guess I'm going to have to change my signature.....Hehheee

 

[Nick Morrison]

What is the dynamic range of your typical LCD TV (shamelssly marketed as "LED" TV) being sold to consumers these days at typical brightness levels? 10? 11?

While acquiring widest possible DR while shooting the footage is ideal, I wonder if content meant for TV might look better if people compress the dynamic range in post (bit like adjusting the curves). Otherwise the visuals might get that weak contrast "HDR" look.

Cinema should be okay, the Red projetors will hopefully have a better DR than modern LCD TVs.

Yeah but that DR is what you use to GRADE with. The graded DNX or PRO-RES quicktimes will look fantastic on broadcast from 6K and this much DR. I already notice the massive jump from 10 stops DR on DSLR to 13stops on Scarlet. Imagine what 16 will look like?

 

[Peter Lyons Collister ASC]

Jim & Jarred,

Pretty excited about Dragon.... But in the meantime I am happy to be shooting 3 Epics and generating 6 hours of dailies each day for the past 68 shoot days on "Arrested Development"

Living large my friends, living large

 

[Gunleik Groven]

Jim & Jarred,

Pretty excited about Dragon.... But in the meantime I am happy to be shooting 3 Epics and generating 6 hours of dailies each day for the past 68 shoot days on "Arrested Development"

Living large my friends, living large

To me this is the best point ever.
There is so much good to be said about the current Epic.
The rest is just a bonus.

G

 

[Marc Wielage]

Yeah but that DR is what you use to GRADE with. The graded DNX or PRO-RES quicktimes will look fantastic on broadcast from 6K and this much DR. I already notice the massive jump from 10 stops DR on DSLR to 13stops on Scarlet. Imagine what 16 will look like?

There is always the risk that this dynamic range will still have to be compressed for delivery. If the final monitor or projector on which the project is going to be seen by the mass market is only 8 bits and Rec709, compromises have to happen. But it certainly doesn't hurt to start with lots of signal -- what we used to call a thick negative -- in the original master.

 

[Patrick Grossien]

The LCD/EVF on my Epic plugs in differently, what am I looking at?

It's an early version of the side SSD Module. The direction switched what felt like a couple of times during the prototype phase - probably that happened only once

 

[Liam Hall]

Martin, have you ever been next to that beast when shooing HFR????

Its as loud as a frisking JUMBO JET taking off, I literally freaked out form the noise and moved away I tough it was gone BLOW UP...

When have you stood next to one Ketch?

 

[Ketch Rossi]

When have you stood next to one Ketch?

I don't even remember what is that they were shooting, it was several years ago in a studios down in Burbank, back then I was still working in my Restaurant.

And some people don't really realize how big this camera is...

 

[Danny Murray]

Dragon should never be compared to 35mm film. It should only be spoken in reference to 65mm film from here on out.



Jim

the first rule of fightclub is! You never talk about fightclub

 

[Shane Daly DP]

No louder than the film cameras I used to shoot dialogue with.

Shane
shanedaly.info

 

[Roger Valdes]

Still needs 65mm sensor to be compared to 65mm film imo.

 

[Rocco Schult]

He he, I never tough of Dragon, as a 35mm alike, but more like a 35mm Killer, and a 65mm / 70mm IMAX comparable...

Just don't confuse 70mm IMAX with 6k…
A 70mm IMAX has roughly 10 times the surface area of 35mm academy and is close to 4:3 aspect.
Even IMAX DMR is scanned at 6k, way below its capacity, which in turn contains much more info than 6k, 1:1.91, non-debayered imagery.

Global shutter, better color rendering/skin tones, highlight protection, power and heat management, DR, and full frame. Id take these over 6k but thats me.

No, not just you.