Raven vs Scarlet-W

[Brian Merlen]

I think the cost benefit for 6k CF is a lot less than 8k because ideally the 8k competition is Alexa 65, 765, phantom 65, and more luxurious models bigger than s35. At least that's how I hope that it plays out vs spending more for small bells and whistles, I'd like to hope red 8k is at least as prestigious as other larger sensors from the past

 

[BrandonChristensen]

You mean like this:

That's the one I was referring to

It's so overwhelming and hard to process that if someone had something simple like S35 vs the Raven's 4.5 on something much less wide...it might help my brain a bit.

 

[sam karr]

That's the one I was referring to

It's so overwhelming and hard to process that if someone had something simple like S35 vs the Raven's 4.5 on something much less wide...it might help my brain a bit.

Here is S35 (white frame) vs Raven 4.5k (black frame), both 2.40:

Scarlet 5k FF (white) vs Raven max resolution 4608x2160 (black) vs Raven 4k FF (grey) vs S35 with Red FF ratio (red line):

And simple 4k FF vs 5k FF:

 

[Joe Pontecorvo]

Are there any images of Raven side by side with Scarlet W?
Since both weight in about the same (3.5 pounds - maybe a touch more for Scarlet with mount), I'm just trying to get a sense of size comparison between the two cameras.

 

[Nick Morrison]

Are there any images of Raven side by side with Scarlet W?
Since both weight in about the same (3.5 pounds - maybe a touch more for Scarlet with mount), I'm just trying to get a sense of size comparison between the two cameras.

Size wise i have to imagine they should both be essentially identical - remember all modules and accessories work equally for ALL DSMC2 cameras because they are all identical in size/shape.

 

[Elsie N]

Are there any images of Raven side by side with Scarlet W?
Since both weight in about the same (3.5 pounds - maybe a touch more for Scarlet with mount), I'm just trying to get a sense of size comparison between the two cameras.

Not exactly a side-by-side, but there is a picture of the RED lineup of cameras here on RED.com. Plus, if you click on each one the specs show up and that should give you a "written" picture of the size of each.

I think in one of Jarred's threads he showed a lineup of all cameras together from a head-on perspective.

 

[BrandonChristensen]

Here is S35 (white frame) vs Raven 4.5k (black frame), both 2.40:

Scarlet 5k FF (white) vs Raven max resolution 4608x2160 (black) vs Raven 4k FF (grey) vs S35 with Red FF ratio (red line):

And simple 4k FF vs 5k FF:

Cool, thanks!

 

[Luca Volpe]

Guys this is my first post
I am struggling as I really don't know what to do...if buy the Raven or Scarlet. I suppose that the Scarlet W it will be a better invesment for the future (and also is good to rent too i think)
Any help?
Thanks

 

[Phil Holland]

Guys this is my first post
I am struggling as I really don't know what to do...if buy the Raven or Scarlet. I suppose that the Scarlet W it will be a better invesment for the future (and also is good to rent too i think)
Any help?
Thanks

What do you plan to use your camera for Luca?

For instance, if you want to shoot with PL glass, Scarlet-W would be "the" option you'd want to go over Raven in most situations. There is a notable price difference between the two bodies, but you are paying for the extra resolution and format size as well as the ability to swap out lens mounts and OLPFs.

 

[Elsie N]

Guys this is my first post
I am struggling as I really don't know what to do...if buy the Raven or Scarlet. I suppose that the Scarlet W it will be a better invesment for the future (and also is good to rent too i think)
Any help?
Thanks

My take on your question is that we don't really know what the future holds for RAVEN and Scarlett W. If the RAVEN becomes upgradeable in the future (as far as I know, the aluminum body has he same dimensions as say, the Magnesium Weapon so swapping internals to Weapon 6k abilities could possibly be doable)... then this is an affordable gateway.

The Scarlett, however, may have an upgrade path to Weapon 8k or beyond via trade-in, in years to come.

I don't know your knowledge level or planned usage so I'll just offer a couple of alternatives. 1. If your are just starting out and unsure of a rental market to bring in income, the RAVEN seems to me the best bet.

2. If you have experience and are somewhat confident you can earn income through rentals, the Scarlett may give you the qualities that can sustain repeat business from your clients.

I do not rent my cameras so take what I'm saying as nothing more than an opinion.

 

[Brice LeCarre]

Luca, I am also coming into the Red ecosystem. My decision to go for the Raven was as follow.
The affordability of the brain is within my range.
It is quite a camera. Coming from the 5D world, I will have to a certain extend re learn how to shoot and light my scenes.
4K is still an undiscovered country to me and I am not sure how my present computer will handle the footage and what kind of storage I will need.
The modules necessary to make the Raven a shooting machine are compatible with the Scarlett W.
Since it is the same line of camera, you learn one, you learn them all.
I will definitely put it on a gimball and possibly fly it.
If I decide to get a Scarlett W down the road, I am sure I can resell the Raven or keep it as a B camera.

It is tempting for an extra 5K to go for the Scarlett W but that is a personal choice.
I am buying the Raven to become a better shooter and get into the 4K world. I figure I my shots don't look good I can't blame the camera.
I was looking at the C-300 (only HD) when Red came out with the Raven. The C-300 Mk2 is out of my range so this camera seems to be the perfect choice.
Kudos to Red for extending a hand to guys like me who can now afford to buy a true cinematic camera.

 

[Luca Volpe]

Thanks guys for the reply. I work in the "magic community" ( I am a Mentalist...well I know now what you thinking right now...lol...) and I do video productions for my collegues (we do also fashion and some short films). We thought to move to Red (we worked with Canon Cinema until now) as for the fact that in Italy we are going to offer a quality/service (for the work I do) that nobody else does, and obviously Red it will make a HUGE difference in quality and brand.
I know there is quite a difference in price and I don't even now if I actually will shoot in 5k (even if I do it will be downscaled anyway) BUT I suppose that one day I want to seel the raven to upgrade to a superior red camera it will not make to much money. Also I like the fact that the Scarlet W hase the OLPF option, the DSMC RED MOTION TI CANON MOUNT (which is great to have ND filter in camera)...all this things (even if I will not buy at the moment) it will make me feel more confortable to have a camera that can be expanded in time...but I am still confused!...

 

[Darryl Harris]

Hey Luca, as Brice said, the Scarlet W sure is tempting. For me, I tried to start punching the numbers and seeing if it would be affordable. I came to the conclusion that the Red Raven will be more than enough for me to grow with. When bigger productions call for more out of what I'm shooting, I can rent Scarlet W and even have a b cam in Raven or just use my accessories and modules on Scarlet W rental. A lot of people seem to love the Standard OLPF and that's what comes on Raven and I'm a fan of EF mount. So my plan is get the Ravem, grow with it, and upgrade when it's more of a need than a want. Hope this helps!

 

[Tarquin Cardona]

Just to pick up on the Standard OLPF mention.

All one can say is holy ****. For $135.00 it is like a heart transplant to the Epic MD. Having ridden the Epic train since 2011 and all the highs and lows, methinks 2016 is the year when all Reds diligence finally comes home to roost. Have been shooting tests, planning to switch over from STH on a project.
What can one say. At 640 and 800 smooth smooth smooth. Up to 1600 solid. Color is not like film, not like TV, not like Alexa. The color is like life. Graeme and all those guys they just never gave up. So here we are today. Raven or Scarlet W. Great problems to have. Looking forward to Weapon and all the tweaks therein.

 

[Abiodun Shote]

Muni, SCARLET-W will have upgrade path to WEAPON, yes. How do you get SCARLET-W is $14,500 more than RAVEN? RAVEN is $5950 for brain, SCARLET-W is $9950.

The Raven has a fixed mount, does the $9950 include an EF mount for the SCARLET-W or its just brain alone?

 

[Phil Holland]

The Raven has a fixed mount, does the $9950 include an EF mount for the SCARLET-W or its just brain alone?

This package for the Scarlet-W is likely what you'd be looking for:

http://www.red.com/store/products/scarlet-w-base-io-package-deposit

1 SCARLET-W BRAIN w/ integrated media bay
1 DSMC Canon Mount - Aluminum
1 DSMC² OLPF w/ Case
1 DSMC² Base I/O V-Lock Expander
1 DSMC AC Power Adaptor
1 RED MINI-MAG - 120GB
1 DSMC² RED Touch 4.7" LCD
1 DSMC² Universal Handle

 

[Kenneth C Merrill]

Hey Luca! Welcome to the forums. I think I've seen some of your posts over on the magic forums; which ones do you frequent? I'm just a magic hobbyist myself (and boy I haven't practiced in forever!).

Anyway, I'm planning to step up to the Raven from my Scarlet MX in the next year or so. I want the Scarlet-W because of the larger sensor size and swappable mount, but I'm currently using EF glass, and the Raven will fall in my price range sooner. I figure I can easily resell the body when I need to step up to the Scarlet-W. And also, I think the Standard OLPF is the one most people will prefer anyways. I'm not interested in the others.

 

[jordan levy]

The Raven has a fixed mount, does the $9950 include an EF mount for the SCARLET-W or its just brain alone?

its for the brain alone, mount not included, so that's another price difference you have to consider with the scarlet-w

 

[Mitch Ayers]

Hey Guys.

In similar shoes here.

Looking to dive into the red ecosystem....things just seem to add up here!

it seems a few EPIC -x Kits are popping up for around the Base I/O price of the scarlet W (main issue here is all the add ons to get a production kit) ....... do you think the Epic X will still hold its own for years to come. or is it just not smart to invest into X sensor?

 

[jordan levy]

Hey Guys.

In similar shoes here.

Looking to dive into the red ecosystem....things just seem to add up here!

it seems a few EPIC -x Kits are popping up for around the Base I/O price of the scarlet W (main issue here is all the add ons to get a production kit) ....... do you think the Epic X will still hold its own for years to come. or is it just not smart to invest into X sensor?

if its for rental then no, but if you are just shooting personal projects with it, then its fine. id personally jump into the new ecosystem with a raven if i owned EF glass or a scarlet-w if i owned PL glass.