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  • Hey all, just changed over the backend after 15 years I figured time to give it a bit of an update, its probably gonna be a bit weird for most of you and i am sure there is a few bugs to work out but it should kinda work the same as before... hopefully :)

Proxy Module...

Its better to have useful broadcast module something like Apple Pro Res 422/444 or DnXHD 185 rather than H.264.
 
Deanan said:
Native R3D support is also growing rapidly in alot of apps.
There'll be some very cool announcements at NAB.

However, h.264 support (and other codecs in the works also) will open up alot flexibility for a variety of devices and workflows.
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Okay, I expected too much in the wrong direction then, great to hear about other modules and I forgot about H.264 being useful for rushes on mobile devices. We are so used to handling proxies from the raw R3D. Probably I got misled by the word "proxy".
 
gbalaji said:
Its better to have useful broadcast module something like Apple Pro Res 422/444 or DnXHD 185 rather than H.264.
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You'll notice that JJ said the H.264 module is the "first" of a number of proxy modules - I imagine a Pro Res one is just round the corner (take that Arri! :boxing_smiley:)
 
I'm not sure if Red will be able to do a ProRes module. That requires them to get into bed with Apple. And last time I checked Red doesn't get into bed with anyone because they are "The Rebellion" and like going it alone redefining everything as they go.

Arri on the other hand is known for their collaboration with other companies: Zeiss, S.two, Codex, Keisoku Giken, Fujinon, Sony, and Apple. I'm sure I'm missing a few too. Red doesn't have these kind of relationships with anyone really...
 
Blaire Johnson said:
I'm not sure if Red will be able to do a ProRes module. That requires them to get into bed with Apple. And last time I checked Red doesn't get into bed with anyone because they are "The Rebellion" and like going it alone redefining everything as they go.

Arri on the other hand is known for their collaboration with other companies: Zeiss, S.two, Codex, Keisoku Giken, Fujinon, Sony, and Apple. I'm sure I'm missing a few too. Red doesn't have these kind of relationships with anyone really...
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I don't know that that is true. Jim is a fairly famous Apple devotee - (see another thread with mention of an article that talks about it.) And if I recall, they collaborated early on to get red one support (albeit 2K max in the editing portion) in Final Cut Studio.

I think a lot of people are frustrated that Apple hasn't implemented 4K yet or done a significant update to FCS. Some think it is because Apple is iphone/ipad obsessed, but I believe that is more of a timing thing in that they are essentially rewriting the entire suite in 64 bit mode (plus maybe incorporating functionality from Shake) - which is a huge task, and it is just coincidence that the RED phenomenon happened as this major transition.
 
Blaire Johnson said:
I'm not sure if Red will be able to do a ProRes module. That requires them to get into bed with Apple. And last time I checked Red doesn't get into bed with anyone because they are "The Rebellion" and like going it alone redefining everything as they go.

Arri on the other hand is known for their collaboration with other companies: Zeiss, S.two, Codex, Keisoku Giken, Fujinon, Sony, and Apple. I'm sure I'm missing a few too. Red doesn't have these kind of relationships with anyone really...
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Is that why Avid just announced native R3D support in Media Composer/AMA today? Or Apple Color, DVS, Filmlight, Sony Vegas, Quantel and a huge list of others also support R3Ds directly?
 
Blaire Johnson said:
That requires them to get into bed with Apple. And last time I checked Red doesn't get into bed with anyone because they are "The Rebellion" and like going it alone redefining everything as they go.
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RED took about a month before we even had a product to cement an incredible official relationship with Apple. It took ARRI about 20 years :)
 
i talked today with some directors and dops about the proxy module, they just went crazy when seeing the possibility of using ipads to watch on set and dailies.
 
Cüneyt Kaya said:
i talked today with some directors and dops about the proxy module, they just went crazy when seeing the possibility of using ipads to watch on set and dailies.
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Same here, just finished discussing it, and also posted on an other MF photography forum, love this times of technological advancements.
 
one red hater dp`s statement was...

"how much does it cost?
2500 usd
"so you have this proxy thing, this redmode thing, and if wish i can get less compressed footage with SSD`s, right? How much does this cost?"
all under 40k...usd
"and i really can make it the size of a canon or a 435?
Yep
"fuck, why should someone pay 100 000k € for something different?"
 
I'm happy to hear about Avid being onboard now, I guess I spoke 30min. too soon haha.

It would be great if Red can have that same kind of co-op with large companies when it comes to implementing hardware on their cameras/AKS, and not just post production. Which is the only cooperation from others that I see you guys doing currently.
 
Cüneyt Kaya said:
i talked today with some directors and dops about the proxy module, they just went crazy when seeing the possibility of using ipads to watch on set and dailies.
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It's really going to be funny to watch a director with a 17" & 26" Panasonics in front of him choose to watch the shots on an iPad.

The real question will be, do we let the agency have access to the wifi? If yes, be prepared to answer why they can't access their emails and facebook as well.
 
CJ Roy said:
It's really going to be funny to watch a director with a 17" & 26" Panasonics in front of him choose to watch the shots on an iPad.

The real question will be, do we let the agency have access to the wifi? If yes, be prepared to answer why they can't access their emails and facebook as well.
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We'd call it REDpad just to be non standard and it won't have email or web :)
 
Can the proxy module stream the "live feed" (camera recording or not) as well as have "takes" playable off the HTML server?

How much delay in a live stream?
 
Streaming features

Streaming features

1) What is the limit of simultaneous streams that the module can handle?

2) In addition to "live streaming", can you stream any clip from a CF card? Multiple clips? Is this managed by a web interface?

3) Is there an open API to be able to write our own interfaces for this?

4) Does the streaming server support time displacement so you can jump to a point in a timeline? ie: start=XXX

5) I'm wondering if Red has plans for using modules like this beyond the camera itself? for instance, the ability to drop this module on the Red Station in some way, and have it transcode media while copying between storage devices? That could be just as huge from a workflow perspective especially where its not practical to have this module on the camera itself.

6) Can the module be used off the camera to provide access to stored media? ie: Stream clips from a Red Station.
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just to clarify, I understand camera modules use something like PCIe as a backplane and the red Station doesn't use this. I'm suggesting a possible Red Station Module that has the ability to connect a Camera module and includes the typical esata, FW800, USB2 connections of a red station module to interconnect with the other media modules.
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7) In places where em interference or lots or network traffic make wifi impractical, can we assume streaming access is also available over gigabit ethernet?
 
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