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  • Hey all, just changed over the backend after 15 years I figured time to give it a bit of an update, its probably gonna be a bit weird for most of you and i am sure there is a few bugs to work out but it should kinda work the same as before... hopefully :)

Proxy Module...

Jay Gannon said:
Proprietary ethernet connection? I would say that is a bad decision guys.
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I am not an electrician but, is it that hard to make adaptors, connectors and cables? Isn't it quite likely that some entity will step in to fill the void, even if RED doesn't (or if theirs are a little pricey)?

Just wondering aloud. It would be interesting to know what RED's reasoning was (given they usually have a well thought out one).
 
Jay Gannon said:
Proprietary ethernet connection? I would say that is a bad decision guys.
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I disagree, the priority should be set survivable connectors, and if they happen to be standards, great. One of the biggest vulnerabilities of digital cinema are all these connectors (USB, HDMI, FW 800, eSATA) that do not survive the rigors of set and are too easy to pull out. and, yes, I know ethernet has a lock but it's plastic. I've broken a few ethernet connectors in my time.
 
Jay Gannon said:
Proprietary ethernet connection? I would say that is a bad decision guys.
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It's a rugged connector, not proprietary ethernet. You can make your own.

RJ connectors will break on cameras very easily.
 
Deanan said:
It's a rugged connector, not proprietary ethernet. You can make your own.

RJ connectors will break on cameras very easily.
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I agree. I'd rather have a small adapter cable so I can tug it away and protect the connection somewhere else. Now - please speak to the guys about RED Station and make them put a lemo connector on instead of the current power connector ;-)
 
Very Nice...

Will you have the new H264,(part10) AVC that encodes 3D?

Would it be possible to get an E-SATA or FW800 out?
 
Deanan said:
It's a rugged connector, not proprietary ethernet. You can make your own.

RJ connectors will break on cameras very easily.
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First, I think the module looks great and I can't wait to use it.

I would offer that there are millions of portable, non ruggedized rj45 ethernet ports on laptops around the world that have been punished on a daily basis for several decades now with an extremely low failure rate. Conversely, ethernet cable RJ45 ends can break very easily, as I'm sure many people here have experienced.

My instinct is that the cost and hassle of replacing a lost or broken off-the-shelf ethernet cable versus the ruggedized version you are using isn't worth the extra ruggedness. Plus, you can buy tools to strip and replace broken ends on a standard ethernet cable at any major hardware store in the country.

I'm guessing the typical use case for the module is wireless access (similar to laptops), again supporting less need for the ruggedized version because of less use.

Finally, you may consider a future version that has a second physical port on the module which uses standard rj45, so users can choose. Also, if the port (either one) gets destroyed, you have a second one to use.

I hope these are constructive comments. Great work!
 
what will be the estimated range of the wireless module? would also be nice to know on how many streams we can have at once before it starts dropping frames...

dp, ac, director, producer, AD, DIT, gaffer all watching on their iphones, ipads, and mcpro all at once? amazeballs x 2
 
Grant_Wood said:
First, I think the module looks great and I can't wait to use it.

I would offer that there are millions of portable, non ruggedized rj45 ethernet ports on laptops around the world that have been punished on a daily basis for several decades now with an extremely low failure rate. Conversely, ethernet cable RJ45 ends can break very easily, as I'm sure many people here have experienced.

My instinct is that the cost and hassle of replacing a lost or broken off-the-shelf ethernet cable versus the ruggedized version you are using isn't worth the extra ruggedness. Plus, you can buy tools to strip and replace broken ends on a standard ethernet cable at any major hardware store in the country.

I'm guessing the typical use case for the module is wireless access (similar to laptops), again supporting less need for the ruggedized version because of less use.

Finally, you may consider a future version that has a second physical port on the module which uses standard rj45, so users can choose. Also, if the port (either one) gets destroyed, you have a second one to use.

I hope these are constructive comments. Great work!
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I've used regular ethernet cables and jacks on set before and they usually lasted a couple of days before something got trashed and broken. Once it breaks on the camera, then it starts to get expensive and unnecessary down time.
 
Terry VerHaar said:
I am not an electrician but, is it that hard to make adaptors, connectors and cables? Isn't it quite likely that some entity will step in to fill the void, even if RED doesn't (or if theirs are a little pricey)?

Just wondering aloud. It would be interesting to know what RED's reasoning was (given they usually have a well thought out one).
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The proprietary ethernet connector issue was hashed out in the forums a few months ago. It's on the brains too... It's not really proprietary, but they appear to be using a LEMO cable. My guess is for robustness. Standard RJ-45 jacks suck when it comes to use in the field and multiple insertion cycles. Edit> I didn't see Deanan's responses before posting this. But seems to all make perfect sense to me.

And you are correct, Terry. This is one of those issues where people are blowing it way out of proportion. It's like the mini-XLR deal... Cables are easy to make, just be sure you have the right connectors or hire the people who will have the right ones and will know what they're doing. Any good on-set sparky or competent cable/data tech will be able to handle all this when the time comes. Once again, like the mini-XLR deal with the RED One, I always found it humorous that mini-XLRs are technically standard, they are present on most audio recording gear from companies like Sound Devices, etc.. They are readily available, easy to make... And yet people stress out about it and there are sound guys who can't deal with them.. WTF?

The brains / modules with this ethernet connection probably include the proper LEMO to RJ-45 adapter. And having an extra, and/or the parts to make them, within your kit -- you know, in that box with all your other little spare parts, is probably a good idea.

It may not be a LEMO connector, there are some other industrial flavors of Ethernet connectors out there. Could be one of those, but so far I've only seen renders of the port.
 
Don't stress over rugged milspec data connections.

You will stress if they were standard RJ jacks that break easily.
 
Deanan said:
It's a rugged connector, not proprietary ethernet. You can make your own.

RJ connectors will break on cameras very easily.
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As long as I have the ability to crimp a fresh cable onset thats all good.
As for RJ's breaking, there's ways around that but if this suits you thats all good as long as we can make custom length's as needed without massive cost.
 
Jay Gannon said:
As long as I have the ability to crimp a fresh cable onset thats all good.
As for RJ's breaking, there's ways around that but if this suits you thats all good as long as we can make custom length's as needed without massive cost.
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Its just a different connector, which is built for durability. Same cables and everything. Crimp away.
 
Proxy Module

Proxy Module

I can only guess this module is like a mini Red Ray (1080P H.264) with a Wifi transmitter. Good to know that module can encode in real time. How about Red Ray, can it encode in real time.... Now that would be FANTASTIC

Thanks for this..


Jannard said:
RED is increasing the workflow flexibility on Epic and Scarlet with Proxy Modules… the first of which is an H.264 Module.

This module encodes a 1080P stream (high quality scale from full frame) and records to Compact Flash in a rear module. The module also offers secure password protected streaming over dedicated WiFi and ethernet to iPhones, iPads, laptops as well as broadcast to the internet.

This will be beneficial for on set viewing, instant dailies, offline editing, easy file transfer to remote locations, dailies review and collaboration services with such companies as Pix, or live broadcasting for realtime media distribution.

The modules will also support full metadata and XML for editorial.

Availability will be September 2010 and the price will be $2500.

Jim
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Is the H264 stream multicast? I'm thinking this would be ideal for live broadcasts to our casino digital signage system....being able to stream directly from the Epic camera to 100 screens property wide would be very nice!
 
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