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As for me profi camera is a camera on which I can shoot full-length film with indistinguishability of 35 mm film!
 
Alexey Datsenko said:
As for me profi camera is a camera on which I can shoot full-length film with indistinguishability of 35 mm film!
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Yup, sounds good, except you are implementing a hell of a lot more than a camera in that sentence...

That is achievable with many cameras, as long as the lighting and framing and DoP division is more than capable and know their formats possibilities and limitations well....
 
Jannard said:
We profess to make professional cameras. I'd love to hear your take on what exactly professional means to you.

Jim
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I have given my answer on page 13, but what really amazes me is how many people are actually taking this as a "personal attack" on who is (or is not) a professional. The was majority of the answers here are related to professional on terms of who they are and not what Jim have asked. If You re-read Jim's post - he is clearly referring to the cameras, not persons. He is simply asking what does "professional camera" mean to us...

Correct me if I am wrong...

:devil: Peter
 
Peter Majtan said:
I have given my answer on page 13, but what really amazes me is how many people are actually taking this as a "personal attack" on who is (or is not) a professional. The was majority of the answers here are related to professional on terms of who they are and not what Jim have asked. If You re-read Jim's post - he is clearly referring to the cameras, not persons. He is simply asking what does "professional camera" mean to us...

Correct me if I am wrong...

:devil: Peter
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I guess as said at page 4, post 34 of this tread Jim slowly preparing Red users for higher prices of upcoming new RED professional cameras.
 
Peter Majtan said:
Correct me if I am wrong...
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To be fair, Jim didn't specify answers should be exclusive to camera equipment, he simply asked what "professional means to you", though I agree it was probably his intent.

The word "professional" is emblazoned on many pieces of equipment. It's just marketing. Who cares?
 
David Mullen ASC said:
It always gets messy when people bring money into the argument -- professionalism of course implies doing something as a career instead of a hobby, but it is a state of mind more than anything else. I think people have pretty much exhausted all the permutations of what it means to be professional.
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Not really - there are at least three sides to the question of professionalism, and all posters this far have tried to treat it as a two-sided question.

A professional is obviously somebody doing it for a living, and can be good, average or poor - but even the poorest will be able to deliver or they would be forced into some other line of work. Professionals live by "good enough", even if they aspire to excellence.

An amateur is somebody doing it out of love of the art and craft. Amateurs can often get better result than professionals, but will usually not get the result in a timely fashion, and will usually disdain any type of necessary routine work. Amateurs do not think "good enough".

A consumer is somebody who is doing it for quick results without much understanding of æsthetical or technical qualities. Consumers will rarely aspire to "good enough".

Jim is a brilliant example of the best kind of amateur. He obviously does not need to make cameras for the money, he does it for love and aspirations of excellence. He does not make stuff for consumers.

Sony are typical professionals - they live and breathe for "good enough" and the bottom line, and make products for all three cathegories.

When it comes to tools, a professional will be able to get the most out of any tool. A professional in a poor society will have to make do with whatever is available within narrow financial limits. A professional in an affluent setting will be able to choose the best tool for each job, and even have it customized. Common to both is that they will more often prefer reliability and support than features and cheapness.
 
Gunleik Groven said:
Yup, sounds good, except you are implementing a hell of a lot more than a camera in that sentence...

That is achievable with many cameras, as long as the lighting and framing and DoP division is more than capable and know their formats possibilities and limitations well....
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Yes?:) Ok may be you can tell me the camera which picture I see and say: It is not digital it is 35 mm film!:) Except sony f23, Panavision, F900!
 
What is professional?

What is professional?

I can tell you what I think being a professional is to me... Knowing the profession you are in, inside and out, or as close as you possible can. But the second part is having the passion, desire to be better in that profession. To keep striving to be better in the area you have chosen. Keep learning. Then one day you will become professional. Like RED for example. They were NOT a professional camera making company before, but with all their work over the last four years they have "become" professional in the industry they have chosen. When it comes to professional cameras I look to Hasselblads as being one of the most professional cameras in the industry. Why? Because they are reliable, built to last and create fantastic images. You can count on them to get the job done. Do you have to pay for it? Sure. But I am willing to do that if it gives me the results that I am after. Just like the person behind the camera.

That is what professional means to me. The thing I want from this camera is the feeling I can accomplish what I have been tasked to do. To have the confidence in myself because of the tool I hold in my hand. Make that happen and I am willing to pay for it. Because I trust in my professionalism to get the rest done.

Adion
 
My Dad always said, "Son a professional gets paid. But the real difference is he knows how to fix his mistakes before anyone knows he made one."
 
This is an example what's named professional wrist watch:

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TAG Heuer Formula 1 wrist watch.

Also RED today has written professional in their new logo.

Then we'll see what does it mean when they start to ship

the new RED professional line of digital cine cameras.
 
Sanjin Jukic said:
I guess as said at page 4, post 34 of this tread Jim slowly preparing Red users for higher prices of upcoming new RED professional cameras.
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Sanjin, with all due respect - this is a baseless speculation. Man, You know I like You, but this kind of posts would get me mad, let alone Jim...

:sifone: Peter
 
Liam Hall said:
To be fair, Jim didn't specify answers should be exclusive to camera equipment, he simply asked what "professional means to you", though I agree it was probably his intent.

The word "professional" is emblazoned on many pieces of equipment. It's just marketing. Who cares?
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Liam, do not take the question out of the context. Please read the whole post as one single sentence...:

"We profess to make professional cameras. I'd love to hear your take on what exactly professional means to you."

:sifone: Peter

EDIT: Further more it is irrelevant whether the person using these cameras are professionals or not. It won't make the camera any less (or more) professional...
 
Peter Majtan said:
Sanjin, with all due respect - this is a baseless speculation. Man, You know I like You, but this kind of posts would get me mad, let alone Jim...

:sifone: Peter
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Peter, don't worry, Jim is safe now because I edited my last post above.
 
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