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  • Hey all, just changed over the backend after 15 years I figured time to give it a bit of an update, its probably gonna be a bit weird for most of you and i am sure there is a few bugs to work out but it should kinda work the same as before... hopefully :)

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Jannard said:
We profess to make professional cameras. I'd love to hear your take on what exactly professional means to you.

Jim
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- Product is designed by those who have worked in and understand the craft of the market they are selling to.

- Product is designed and intended for use by those with specialized training and education.

- Product has ability to allow for all manual controls if desired.

- Product is made from top notch materials.

- Product is tested in real world scenarios.

- Product is reliable.

- Outstanding customer support
 
Lorenzo Straight said:
To me: Professional means, Operating or performing at level higher than all your peers.
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So.

In this scenario, YOU can be the only professional.

With this statement there can be only one professional in your world. The only professional is the person operating or performing at a level higher than your peers?

Are you thinking straight?

This user group is getting weirder all the time....
 
Jannard said:
We profess to make professional cameras. I'd love to hear your take on what exactly professional means to you.

Jim
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If I had to make a simple sentence and if by "professional" we are referring to the cameras, then...:

A professional camera is a tool that does not limit my artistic expression as a photographer (be it motion or still)...

:devil: Peter
 
David Battistella said:
So.

In this scenario, YOU can be the only professional.

With this statement there can be only one professional in your world. The only professional is the person operating or performing at a level higher than your peers?

Are you thinking straight?

This user group is getting weirder all the time....
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LOL!

Niceone David.

Fortunately not all logical thinking is lost. -:)
 
To me professional cameras/tools have the quality/reliability it takes to keep you supporting your family.
 
Jannard said:
We profess to make professional cameras. I'd love to hear your take on what exactly professional means to you.

Jim
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It is a tool, not a toy. that covers it.

Specifically: Powerful, Uncompromised, Reliable, but also providing good return on investment.
 
Professional = an individual whose skill level and work
meets industry-recognized standards of quality such that
he or she IS paid, or COULD BE paid for that work.
 
circumstances are different were you are in the worls

circumstances are different were you are in the worls

David,

I see what you want to say, but, please take care, some of us, like my self, live in a parts of the world, where budgets are not as high, life is not as expensive, and because of that, salaries are lower, yet, we also have the right to be able to own and shoot with the very best cameras available, but if RED takes your advice, we will not be able to afford the very best cameras in the world. Please RED, don't raise prices to a value that professionals like my self are cut off from the beauty of using RED products. But, like the $1000 that seems like the EPIC will be raised for HDRx™ I see no problem, the problem would be raising the price $10.000...

RED prices are at the moment the correct prices. Not cheap, but not expensive, JUST RIGHT. I think RED knows why they price their products at the price they do.

You give an example to a DIT making $200 a day, I really think that depends where in the World that salary is being paid, and what the project is, and the budget is. I live in a country where minimum salary is $75 a month....I pay my DIT $125 a day, which here is a salary for a KING, the equipment is mine, I taught him all he knows about DIT. So, professional should not be about how much you make a day.


David Battistella said:
Paid vs. Unpaid is a futile example. Here is why?

A professional who undercuts another professional is still getting paid.

So professional also means paying a price in accordance with industry standards.

This is why RED should raise their prices, if someone came along and offered you a Mercedes for 20k you would always have trouble believing it's a Benz or as good as one.

When a DIT wants to work for 200 a day with gear I consider them unprofessional because they themselves have not acknowledged themselves as professionals even if they are capable of aquitting themselves as professionals they have devalued their professional status and worth by pricing themselves as amatures.
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It always gets messy when people bring money into the argument -- professionalism of course implies doing something as a career instead of a hobby, but it is a state of mind more than anything else. I think people have pretty much exhausted all the permutations of what it means to be professional.

From a practical standpoint, the word "reliable" has been mentioned a lot, and I think that's key. The product has to work consistently and it has to be robust, because often a lot of money and careers are hinging on that -- if you are on a TV series or feature spending a quarter-million dollars a day, the last thing anyone wants is a shot to not come out or the camera to go down for three hours.

Most people will (almost) always choose a reliable camera over one that actually takes better pictures, because what good is a better picture if occasionally you get no picture at all, or lose an expensive set-up, location, or actor?

Of course, a recent trend has been to also choose a camera with the cheapest, fastest, and simplest post path, something that is a bit new for cinematographers to factor in, since little of that benefits them. If I'm going to get a visibly superior image, the fact that it adds a few more hours in post per day for making dailies seems like a decent compromise, especially considering that with film, we have a whole processing and then telecine step to deal with. But I seem to be increasingly part of a minority on that issue, so many people want instantly editable material and cheap dailies even if it impacts the quality of the final product, which seems backwards to me. Who cares if dailies look good but the final product looks less good as a result? Does it really matter if something is scheduled to take months to edit if the editor is able to cut the material two hours after wrap rather than six hours after wrap?
 
I think most people would agree on reliability/durability. Beyond that I'm not sure you could get much of a consensus. If you could there'd only be one camera on the market.

Personally as a still photographer I'm ready for the motion world to get to the point that professional means RAW, but I understand the obstacles to that.
 
David Mullen ASC said:
It always gets messy when people bring money into the argument -- professionalism of course implies doing something as a career instead of a hobby, but it is a state of mind more than anything else. I think people have pretty much exhausted all the permutations of what it means to be professional.

From a practical standpoint, the word "reliable" has been mentioned a lot, and I think that's key. The product has to work consistently and it has to be robust, because often a lot of money and careers are hinging on that -- if you are on a TV series or feature spending a quarter-million dollars a day, the last thing anyone wants is a shot to not come out or the camera to go down for three hours.

Most people will (almost) always choose a reliable camera over one that actually takes better pictures, because what good is a better picture if occasionally you get no picture at all, or lose an expensive set-up, location, or actor?

Of course, a recent trend has been to also choose a camera with the cheapest, fastest, and simplest post path, something that is a bit new for cinematographers to factor in, since little of that benefits them. If I'm going to get a visibly superior image, the fact that it adds a few more hours in post per day for making dailies seems like a decent compromise, especially considering that with film, we have a whole processing and then telecine step to deal with. But I seem to be increasingly part of a minority on that issue, so many people want instantly editable material and cheap dailies even if it impacts the quality of the final product, which seems backwards to me. Who cares if dailies look good but the final product looks less good as a result? Does it really matter if something is scheduled to take months to edit if the editor is able to cut the material two hours after wrap rather than six hours after wrap?
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Completely agree David. Unless viewing high res dailies resulted in changing the way the DP exposed or lit the remainder of the shoot. I would like to think the director trusted his DP and the DP had tested the camera so this wasn’t necessary. I'd rather spend the night focusing on the next day of shooting anyway.
 
Getting a project done on schedule,in time, on budget and in quality. This requires good planning and applies for developing a new camera as well.
 
Andreas Schmidt said:
Getting a project done on schedule,in time, on budget and in quality. This requires good planning and applies for developing a new camera as well.
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Well there are many examples to the opposite (Titanic, all the terminators or generally anything by Cameron or Chaplin + RED 1 and Alexa comes to mind), but in the general day-to-day business, these are general good advices... -:)

But for most directors/producers/equipment that has really changed the course of thing, this definition would make them fully un-pro...
 
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