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  • Hey all, just changed over the backend after 15 years I figured time to give it a bit of an update, its probably gonna be a bit weird for most of you and i am sure there is a few bugs to work out but it should kinda work the same as before... hopefully :)

Pro Plasma... something or other

Well, these kind of take it out of the running as a reference monitor, don't you think?
Looking for a test of the Continental European version which is supposed to have a gamma calibration menu.
 
Pizza refers to the normal delivery pizza I guess. The real Italian Pizzas are really great actually.

I've got some information from film lab. that go through many equipments (since they get offered to test the new products) that manufacturers' specification will sound tempting but they don't actually work the way all of us expect.

Panasonic series 11 seems to be excellent to many people's eyes, that actually makes it a good reference. It probably not as excellent in gradation fineness, but if you're not looking at that, it won't be a problem, but reference monitor means to find goodness and badness of the image you are working with, so if the material doesn't have banding but the monitor shows, regretfully, can't call it as reference monitor. That is why people here calling Panasonic Series 11 as great preview monitor.

I was told by Pioneer marketing person that Pioneer Kuro Plasma can rival 10-bit LCD display in the gradation fineness, but my source evaluated that Pioneer seems to use extra bits for various picture processing that makes the final picture 8-bit worth. While it could be a good thing, but it won't be a dream monitor (and no longer available). The picture out of Pioneer did look decent to me among all of the other panels I've been evaluating, so I grabbed the specially priced 60 inch for client viewing next to the BVM-D24. Please be warn that even 8-bit processing could look good with proper processing on CRT. I was hoping before that 10-bit processing with 10-bit panel will resolve banding issues but as you can see in various threads in this forum, even 10-bit data can give you banding.

Panasonic prosumer plasma will get better with the neoPDP panel and more adaption of the Pioneer technology from the ex-pioneer engineers that are working in Panasonic. Probably available at this coming InterBEE.

There's a way I'd like to have confirmed by members here, that to use good LCD or Plasma panel combined with CRT next to it. Many video I/O can output HD and SD at the same time, so connect them both to evaluate the strong points of each display.
 
Can someone share the experiences with new TVlogic 10-bit master model and Tamuz 10-bit reference model at NAB?

And share some info about advantages of LED backlight LCD panels?
 
MXO2 mini for PC will be later than Mac version. You'll see reports from me as soon as they are available.
 
Low Cost alternatives:

HP Dreamcolor & Kona LHI.
Apple Cinema and Matrox MXO.

-michael zaletel
(shooter)
 
mmost said:
Panasonic TH-42PF11UK. Or, if you want the 50 inch, TH-50PF11UK.
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I can't speak for this specific model but some of the older ones had a circuit that acted like auto gain control and it could not be defeated. A Panasonic engineer told me the circuit was hard wired into the hardware. It's impossible to profile and to rely on a monitor like that.
 
HDhead said:
I can't speak for this specific model but some of the older ones had a circuit that acted like auto gain control and it could not be defeated. A Panasonic engineer told me the circuit was hard wired into the hardware. It's impossible to profile and to rely on a monitor like that.
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Wouldn't that be only for the consumer models? I don't think Pana would hard wire that for the prosumer models.
 
HDhead said:
I can't speak for this specific model but some of the older ones had a circuit that acted like auto gain control and it could not be defeated. A Panasonic engineer told me the circuit was hard wired into the hardware. It's impossible to profile and to rely on a monitor like that.
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What information do you have regarding the model/build?
 
I think I found the feature explanation for the Pro Plasma in Japanese site that explain what HDhead is talking about. This could be only for Japanese version, but just for the reference.

Series 11 can be used for broadcast master monitor and in the monitor mode, all thought the APL (I think average pxxxx luminance) changes, it keep the brightness in the signal range. It also keeps the white balance although the coverage of the bright area changes, it provides the ability to express the subtle differences in the color, so ideal for broadcast and film content production.

My translation is not too hot but that it pretty much what it says in the japanese content.
 
We recently purchased the 42" 11 series Panasonic. I had a 9 series which we upgraded from. We love this new monitor!

I have 2 questions I hope someone can help with.

1. I use an AJA HD10C2 HDSDI to component converter on the Panny. I am wondering if this will affect what I'm seeing negatively.

2. I use the Panny for client viewing. It's not right in front of me although I can see it. I'm on a Scratch system with a Quadro w/HDSDI outputs. The system (DVI) monitor is an Eizo ce240w and the HDSDI from the Quadro runs into a Sony LMD2450W which sits righ on the desktop. (The HDSDI loop through on the Sony powers the Panny).
All that to ask: what can I replace my Sony with that would be as good as the Panny but in a desktop size (24")? Or should I think about rearranging the suite to make the Panny a primary viewing monitor for when I'm working?
 
Unless I am not understanding this thread correctly it seems you should work off the Pannasonic Pro Plasma 11-series.

I have a similar issue where I will have to re-arrange my whole room to find a way to work off the 50", having to think about the effect it will have on my sound...
 
Roberto Lequeux said:
Unless I am not understanding this thread correctly it seems you should work off the Pannasonic Pro Plasma 11-series.

I have a similar issue where I will have to re-arrange my whole room to find a way to work off the 50", having to think about the effect it will have on my sound...
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You seem to have the same problem! I would love to work off the Panny, but would need to think about mounting on the wall in front of me 2 feet away! Then I would to get something (another) for the other side of the room/client.

A 24-30" 11 series would be so sweet!
 
Allan Stallard said:
You seem to have the same problem! I would love to work off the Panny, but would need to think about mounting on the wall in front of me 2 feet away! Then I would to get something (another) for the other side of the room/client.

A 24-30" 11 series would be so sweet!
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Yup... A 32" would be nice and it is a common TV size, though probably too hard to sell in numbers to consumers who are the ones making this solution accessible at such low prices. Then again, if we can find a way to make our rooms work it will surely be worth it! Making the only other monitors necessary straight up consumer LCDs and giving you everything you and your clients need.
 
ok I'm looking into buying one of these pannys

ok I'm looking into buying one of these pannys

mmost said:
Not "other people." Virtually every major post facility. And this decision was made after extensive testing. Price was not even a consideration. To say it's "not comparable to a high end color grading monitor" is to go against the collective opinions of just about every major chief engineer in Los Angeles. For them, it IS a "high end color grading monitor." The "best" choice for just about everyone was CRT's - and still is, if you can maintain them. But given the current state of technology, the decision to go plasma was not one that was taken lightly. I don't know of any major facility that does HD finishing in L.A. that in a color correction environment uses a CineTal, a TV Logic, or any LCD, period. Including Sony. Broadcast facilities, yes (Fox bought tons of JVC LCD monitors over a year ago). Post facilities doing color correction, no.
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so, I have read this entire thread and just wanted to make oone last stab at this. So I was looking at buying a cinetal or ecinema but after reading this quote, it looks like I could save some money. Just wondering how these post houses are calibrating this monitor? Are they using a LUT or are they using a puck from cinetal? I know the trade off is the cinetal has built in lut support and scopes. Thanks ! I live close to cinetal and am planning a visit to them soon. Any ? i should ask besides why I should buy there monitor vs this one?
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thecoloringroom.com said:
so, I have read this entire thread and just wanted to make oone last stab at this. So I was looking at buying a cinetal or ecinema but after reading this quote, it looks like I could save some money. Just wondering how these post houses are calibrating this monitor? Are they using a LUT or are they using a puck from cinetal? I know the trade off is the cinetal has built in lut support and scopes. Thanks ! I live close to cinetal and am planning a visit to them soon. Any ? i should ask besides why I should buy there monitor vs this one?
http://www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/controller/home?O=cart_accessories&A=details&Q=&sku=613801&is=REG

http://thecoloringroom.com/ lto backup
http://rojolooks.com/ red camera looks exchange .look
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If the hd-sdi input board included is dual link it would be a great deal. I bought that monitor(50") with dual input board (B&H) after NAB for around 5k. My guess is this offer is a single input. I believe you would need dual inputs to achieve 10bit quality. If it is dual. jump on it.
 
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