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  • Hey all, just changed over the backend after 15 years I figured time to give it a bit of an update, its probably gonna be a bit weird for most of you and i am sure there is a few bugs to work out but it should kinda work the same as before... hopefully :)

NEW FF+ Cine Lenses... For DRAGON... In the works...

Yup.

Like a modern version of the Super Speeds MKIII with better performance wide open. That is really the lenses people want. Built like tanks, compact, hard to achieve in a small form factor.

Maybe the RED mini primes could make a comeback?

Who knows.

Good luck with this project and all the other ones too!

David
 
Thanks David!!

Fact is I should have never let this one go to sleep (nor any of the other for that matter), while trying to get my Megaproject up an running here in Italy, but now it is awake again... ;)

And I do agree with you, and it is my goal as well to an extent, but I look to merry several available technologies, glass, elements with my idea, so to cut in less then half the R&D times and be able to deliver this babies much faster.

Fact is, that only few here would believe the amount of material already available form some of this Major Lens manufacturers, in use and or never used in other lenses, in both the Still and Cine worlds, developments stopped and awaiting further push, and so on, I look to just marry what is already there with something new, and bring to life a modern set of cine Primes to fit every one's budget, well not every one, but in the same line of thinking of RED... ;)
 
David Battistella said:
You should watch this video of the lens designer of the new Zeiss 55mm Lens.
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Interestingly enough there was a new article published on the new Zeiss 55mm f/1.4 lens a day after this thread started:

http://blogs.zeiss.com/photo/en/?p=4190

About 3 years from concept to completion and about 1 year of physical development work. I have held this lens and looked through it. I also spent a good amount of time talking to a few folks at Zeiss on the design. These particular lenses are said to be the best Zeiss lenses ever made. They are currently working on fleshing out the series and these aren't just still lenses, although the first one out of the gate will hit market as a still lens.

In my opinion these are going to be difficult to beat. Both in price and in performance.

I have no reason to believe this at the moment, but I would be shocked if Zeiss doesn't show 2 to 3 more lenses based around this new design at NAB 2014.

The still version, while I believe still on track to be released this year, was supposed to be around $4,000 USD.
 
12 elements on a 55mm lens is insanity with today's technology.
Typical Zeiss: can't make a light simple sharp lens if their life depended on it. Some things never change.
When will they get that lenses are not potatoes and don't sell by pound hahaha.....
 
Phil Holland said:
Interestingly enough there was a new article published on the new Zeiss 55mm f/1.4 lens a day after this thread started:

http://blogs.zeiss.com/photo/en/?p=4190

About 3 years from concept to completion and about 1 year of physical development work. I have held this lens and looked through it. I also spent a good amount of time talking to a few folks at Zeiss on the design. These particular lenses are said to be the best Zeiss lenses ever made. They are currently working on fleshing out the series and these aren't just still lenses, although the first one out of the gate will hit market as a still lens.

In my opinion these are going to be difficult to beat. Both in price and in performance.

I have no reason to believe this at the moment, but I would be shocked if Zeiss doesn't show 2 to 3 more lenses based around this new design at NAB 2014.

The still version, while I believe still on track to be released this year, was supposed to be around $4,000 USD.
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Agree with you Phil, this are going to be almost impossible to beat in all aspects, but size and weight, yet so could be said for Master Primes, and Master Ana's.

Yet they are not Cine lenses, neither they are available in the needed focal to complete a set.


Jacek Zakowicz said:
12 elements on a 55mm lens is insanity with todays technology.
Typical Zeiss: can't make a light simple sharp lens if their life depended on it. Some things never change.
When will they get that lenses are not potatoes and don't sell by pound hahaha.....
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Jacek, while I respect you and your great products which I have been the proud owner of, please refrain to insult other Manufacturers in my thread, thanks.
 
Phil Holland said:
About 3 years from concept to completion and about 1 year of physical development work.

I have no reason to believe this at the moment, but I would be shocked if Zeiss doesn't show 2 to 3 more lenses based around this new design at NAB 2014.

The still version, while I believe still on track to be released this year, was supposed to be around $4,000 USD.
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The size and weight will be substantial, I wish they were all somewhere between a Leica M and a Leica R in quality size and weight. :)

David
 
David Battistella said:
The size and weight will be substantial, I wish they were all somewhere between a Leica M and a Leica R in quality size and weight. :)
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An interesting dilemma and perhaps a question.

Have smaller and lighter weight lenses, or have heavier lenses with better optical performance?

However, what should be noted is that these could be potentially smaller than Ultra Primes and Master Primes once housed in that way. They will be heavier than CP.2s however.
 
IMO, and I hope you share it as well Phil, we don't need lighter lenses, we need high quality producing lenses with a great Focus Markings to be spot on, and the lenses actually need to have both weight and body size, in order to properly balance on the Epic, but not to heavy or too big as the Master Primes, but I would gladly compromise a size and weight in the middle of Master Primes and Leica Summilux Cine Primes, yet they must maintain a certain length, as not to be too long, as I mach prefer compact size lenses, and all in the same size.

I would by design make the smaller lenses larger as to have all the set the same size (not necessarily weight) and front diameter, rather the have some small and some larger.
 
Jacek Zakowicz said:
12 elements on a 55mm lens is insanity with today's technology.
Typical Zeiss: can't make a light simple sharp lens if their life depended on it. Some things never change.
When will they get that lenses are not potatoes and don't sell by pound hahaha.....
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Perhaps you should design simpler,lighter and better one Jacek....and then you will be a very rich man. Put me down for set ;-)
 
You can try longer Hasselbad lenses on your Epic by renting (or buying) a Swing/Shift Lens system, made ny Century Precision Optics. When I designed the original system for Clairmont Camera, I used Hasy lenses for the longer FL's, and FF35 Tilt/Shift lenses (from Nikon, Olympus and Canon) for the short FL (starting at 18) These lenses were not fast, but having larger image circles than FF35, because they were the Tilt/Shift lenses, you would be using the center sweet spot of every lens. Not sure if Century changed the longer FL after I did the original design for sale by them. No Dragon problem here.
Ken Robings
digitaloptik.net
 
Phil Holland said:
Have smaller and lighter weight lenses, or have heavier lenses with better optical performance?
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I'd say with the EPIC the big advantage is shooting LARGE images in a small package, not the case with the F65. So I would take a hit for smaller lighter weight lenses to match the form factor of the EPIC. IN a big studio setup, maybe, but with the Dragon making the smaller camera more light sensitive with cleaner images, I'd say keeping every part of the process smaller and less obtrusive is better to my taste.


David
 
David Battistella said:
I'd say with the EPIC the big advantage is shooting LARGE images in a small package, not the case with the F65. So I would take a hit for smaller lighter weight lenses to match the form factor of the EPIC. IN a big studio setup, maybe, but with the Dragon making the smaller camera more light sensitive with cleaner images, I'd say keeping every part of the process smaller and less obtrusive is better to my taste.

David
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+1 completely agree. The small, compact package of the Epic is hard to beat.
 
C'mon Zeiss bring a little brother 35mm 1.4 lens. I actually find the size optimal.
Leica M size type of lenses (or Eyemo) are way too small IMHO.

Pat
 
Hi Ketch, I wanted to give you some food for thought:

I think sticking to imperial only is very limiting. Check out the Schneider Xenar III which have a calibrated, user replaceable scale. The best idea ever to have it switchable!
EDIT: oh yes, the master primes... dammit! I knew there was a set which switched it out. Tells you how much I used the MPs in my life ;)

Although I'm wondering if there could be a way to have both at the same time as on still lenses...

Don't limit your idea. If you want to sell more, you need both!

There's a reduser poll as well where metric vs imperial was discussed. Metric won.
 
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