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New Fast Prime Set WOW

Roberto Lequeux said:
Anyone know what the practical 3D capabilities of a 95mm front element side-by-side 3D rig are?
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The rule of thumb is that you start to create problems when the subject is less than 30 times the intraocular - which for 95mm spacing is more than 9 feet. That's pretty far for a lot of subjects, particularly with the wider lenses often used to get the nice depth effects discussed in the "3D and long lenses"

This again is one of the beauties of still lenses where you commonly have 58 to 77mm fronts - which is more in line with the smaller cameras these days.

I have been experimenting with 2 Canon HFS-100 single chip HD camcorders side by side with wide angle converter lenses that give about 67mm intraocular and it is working pretty well (30x calculates to 6.5 ft.). I can get them even a little closer without the wide angles.
 
Wow, very entertaining thread.

It's got suspense, "mystery," drama... ! :emote_popcorn::emote_popcorn:

Lenses sound awesome, but long term, FF35 "Vista Vision" is where the action will be.
 
I've been shooting with my Leica M9 in China for the past week and if these lenses have any Leitz heritage at all then I'm smitten... (BTW the "Leitz" badge would be pretty slick, and old school)

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Anybody notice Mike's new avatar?
 
Tom L said:
Lenses sound awesome, but long term, FF35 "Vista Vision" is where the action will be.
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man after my own heart Tom.........

I'd like to know who thought when these lenses were announced....
"wow..another set of s35 lenses...and at a relatively high price.
Guess they're lightweight to distinguish them in a crowded market..but that optical circle ain't gonna do them any favours in the future."

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In their defense, if they really started design on these lenses three years ago or whatever, that was well before a few of us here started talking up FF35 and before Jim announced (
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) he was going in that direction. There would not have been any clear reason to anticipate the move to FF35, since the only people who were shooting motion on that format at the time were a very fringe group.... timelapse shooters. Cameras using large formats for 24/30p like the new breed of vDSLRs were nothing but pipedreams, if that.

What is good about these lenses, though, is the speed! I applaud lensmakers who are pushing the speed factor while maintaining quality. The Zeiss compact primes are nice, but fairly slow. Their 18mm is 3.6... fail.
 
Tom L said:
In their defense, if they really started design on these lenses three years ago or whatever, that was well before a few of us here started talking up FF35 and before Jim announced he was going in that direction. There would not have been any clear reason to anticipate the move to FF35, since the only people who were shooting motion on that format at the time were a very fringe group.... timelapse shooters. Cameras using large formats for 24/30p like the new breed of vDSLRs were nothing but pipedreams, if that.

What is good about these lenses, though, is the speed! I applaud lensmakers who are pushing the speed factor while maintaining quality. The Zeiss compact primes are nice, but fairly slow. Their 18mm is 3.6... fail.
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Tom L,

sorry to disappoint you now but before you talk about a speed of FF35mm lenses try to inform you first about "physical and optical limitations" of a speed with wide lenses...

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Chris Parker said:
S35 glass will be around longer than many here think.

FF35 will be there, sure, but the TENS of millions of dollars invested in S35mm glass ain't gonna just stop working.....
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Right, just like typewriters weren't quickly rendered obsolete with the advent of computers and word processing software.
 
BIgger is not necessarily better, it's hard enough to find a good focus puller for S35mm lenses, we start talking FF35 and you're gonna see a lot of out of focus/Falling in and out crap, Oh wait that's everything I've seen shot on a 5D:mad2:
 
david farland said:
I'd like to know who thought when these lenses were announced.... "wow..another set of s35 lenses...and at a relatively high price. Guess they're lightweight to distinguish them in a crowded market..but that optical circle ain't gonna do them any favours in the future."
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Lens manufacturers don't make money selling used lenses, they make money selling new lenses. So while I am happy that there are new lens choices, as a consumer I have to weigh investing $5 to $20K/lens for a new set of primes that do not futureproof me against the FF35 (and larger) sensors, versus the existing market for FF35 still lenses (many of which are F1.2-f1.6) and which routinely sell buy for much less than $1K/lens on ebay, and in huge volumes. The main distinction being that the focus throw is usually shorter on a still lens - something that can be overcome by the Birger mount or by FF systems that enlarge the throw electronically.

Michael, what's more likely to happen first? I invest in your lenses and make my money back in rentals or, the Monstro sensor will be released, which will require a new investment in glass to take advantage of the larger sensor, which I will have to make in order to keep up with the competition (or be forced to lower my rates).

Technology displaces assets or at least lowers their value constantly and Moore's Law is just now starting to hit filmmaking.

Good luck, they sure are pretty.
 
Michael Panfeld said:
Technology displaces assets or at least lowers their value constantly and Moore's Law is just now starting to hit filmmaking.
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and just after I said that, I came across this: http://www.physorg.com/news180724252.html

So now scientists will be able to create perfect lenses using electromagnets rather than exotic and deadly lead- and thorium-containing glass to bend light. Its a few years off for sure, but say goodbye to chromatic and sperical abberation (and weight) issues.
 
Michael Panfeld said:
and just after I said that, I came across this: http://www.physorg.com/news180724252.html

So now scientists will be able to create perfect lenses using electromagnets rather than exotic and deadly lead- and thorium-containing glass to bend light. Its a few years off for sure, but say goodbye to chromatic and sperical abberation (and weight) issues.
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Sure Michael, electromagnets that bend light don't weigh very much.:wink5:
 
Michael Bravin said:
Sure Michael, electromagnets that bend light don't weigh very much.:wink5:
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Michael, glad you have a sense of humor. And yes, I enjoy levity too.

But the article says these are nano-sized magnets. The topic is something near and dear to my heart because for years I have hypothesized that, since light has particulate as well as wave properties, it should be able to be influenced by a magnetic field.

Its so far off from being on the shelf that its irrelevant to your product launch, but think about being able to "tune" the magnets to produce a different focal length, an electronic zoom so to speak. Or to erase the light loss caused by the glass, leading to faster lenses.
 
Ah but what about the ever present electromagnetic chroma field distortion that could created quantum anomalies affecting exposure? These issues MUST be addressed before this technology is viable.:001_smile:
 
Why is there Large, Medium and 35mm (Small) format photography? Why was the majority always 35mm? Why are DSLR chips stopping at 35mm (called full format)? Why are most of them still even smaller than 35mm full frame? Why is the digital medium format still a niche market?

Why should FF35 obsolete S35?
 
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