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NAB13- RED ROCKET-X

Gavin Greenwalt said:
How long will this deal be available for Dragon upgrades? If I do the Scarlet -Epic-X and then order the upgrade when I get my Epic will it still be available?
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Hope all of them.
Wish you luck, I usually check specs before taking a deep plunge like that.
Good thing is that it works in most PC and Mac Pro :)
 
I got the mail to upgrade to Dragon today, and also I got the good price of red rocket-X, cool! Love RED!
 
Wait, maybe a dumb question, but for early adopter price, early adopter of what? Red One, or first red rocket, or pre-orders of this one?
 
Really excited to test the new Rocket. I promised myself that I'm soon going to switch to 4k monitors for working and then the Rocket will be fantastic.
Best wishes
/Andreas
 
Nathan Pena said:
Wait, maybe a dumb question, but for early adopter price, early adopter of what? Red One, or first red rocket, or pre-orders of this one?
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Not dumb at all. If you placed a deposit on RED ONE prior to when we started shipping RED ONE on Aug 31, 2007 - and you took delivery of that camera - you are a RED early adopter. Simply put, if you took a leap of faith before we had shipped our first camera....
 
Hey Guys, sorry if this is a redundant question, probably best suited for Jeff...does PP currently use the Rocket to expedite editing. I believe a while back Jeff explained that it is really only useful for the final render and the rocket really does not do anything for playback during editing. Please correct me if I am wrong or if they have changed the way the rocket interacts with PP. Thanks
 
This has probably been asked (and maybe answered already) but is there a benefit to combining this card with the original Rockets? We have an external chassis that supports 5 PCI double-wide cards. We currently have 3x RED Rockets installed and wouldn't mind adding this one as well. Would we get a benefit from having the 3x original Rockets + 1x Rocket-X?
 
More than likely, if the new rocket works with the old one, it would be throttled down to the speed of the old rocket, and work at 1/5th speed, sorta negating the purpose. They run on different pci-e specs from what I've read and my guess is they are not fully compatible, but it would be nice if you could assign the old rocket for display only and transcode with the new one. Guess we'll find out soon enough.
 
Michael Jarvis said:
Hey Guys, sorry if this is a redundant question, probably best suited for Jeff...does PP currently use the Rocket to expedite editing. I believe a while back Jeff explained that it is really only useful for the final render and the rocket really does not do anything for playback during editing. Please correct me if I am wrong or if they have changed the way the rocket interacts with PP. Thanks
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The Rocket does indeed accelerate R3D decoding while editing. What you get out of that depends on your edit and the other capabilities of your system. When editing R3D files, you're typically viewing them at 1/8th or 1/4 res, possibly 1/2 if your edit isn't too complicated or saturated with layers of R3D and you have a decently capable system. At the lower quality levels a fast multiprocessor computer will chew through footage just fine without the Rocket, actually faster in many cases on the current crop of systems with 6 to 16 cores. Where I see the most benefit from the Rocket is when working with full resolution / full quality footage, as in final rendering. The Rocket is a huge help in applications like After Effects, Resolve, Nuke, etc..

As for using the original Rocket alongside Rocket X, I'm curious. They both should be usable for accelerated decoding of R3D frames. As for monitor output, I would assume we just select which card we want to use. Given the power of the Rocket X, I'm not sure how much sense it makes to keep pushing forward with the existing Rocket. It's almost a misfit card at this point due to its PCIe v1 X8 interface.
 
Rob Anderson said:
This has probably been asked (and maybe answered already) but is there a benefit to combining this card with the original Rockets? We have an external chassis that supports 5 PCI double-wide cards. We currently have 3x RED Rockets installed and wouldn't mind adding this one as well. Would we get a benefit from having the 3x original Rockets + 1x Rocket-X?
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If I may ask, what is this external chassis? Thanks a lot
 
Jeff Kilgroe said:
TThe Rocket is a huge help in applications like After Effects, Resolve, Nuke, etc..

As for using the original Rocket alongside Rocket X, I'm curious. They both should be usable for accelerated decoding of R3D frames. As for monitor output, I would assume we just select which card we want to use. Given the power of the Rocket X, I'm not sure how much sense it makes to keep pushing forward with the existing Rocket. It's almost a misfit card at this point due to its PCIe v1 X8 interface.
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Jeff, how big is the improvement in After Effects? AE seems to be so slow in reading files so even without filters I find it's tough to playback in 24fps even with normal 1080p material. With Red material its a lot less fun...
 
Jarred Land said:
RED ROCKET-X is a supercharged version of the RED ROCKET processing .R3D files from Scarlet, Epic MX and Epic Dragon cameras up to 5x faster than the current Rocket.

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Pricing:

-$6750 Regular Price
-$5750 for early adopters
-$4495 if ordered at the time of any DRAGON purchase ( new or upgrade )

Ships this Summer
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That thing looks huge... will it fit inside a mid tower case... atx motherboard?
 
Does the Rocket X speed up Rendering in CS6?
 
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Will Keir said:
Does the Rocket X speed up Rendering in CS6?
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Remember, it's not a multipurpose CPU or GPU. The Rocket is designed to handle REDCODE RAW and only that. Rendering in CS6 involves a lot of other tasks. At best a ROCKET-X will speed up the decoding of your RAW files and encoding (as long as you export to REDCODE RAW too).

Speeding up the encoding-process for .RED would be something, but i have doubts on that.
 
Maik Müller Menendez said:
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Speeding up the encoding-process for .RED would be something, but i have doubts on that.
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This is something I wish someone from RED would confirm or deny. Speeding up that process could be a real time-saver.
 
I wonder if the Odemax 'cloud' will offer a transcode to .RED service until a dedicated hardware solution is available? It might make more sense in 2014 to have a machine with 3 TB of main memory and 8 sockets of E7-8800 v2's to process footage in batch than for content creators to wait a few weeks on their home setups...

If Altera are sampling 14nm FPGA's in 2014 ... it might be more cost effective to strap some of these together than make a custom ASIC.

I have no idea of what the algorithm used is - but I wonder if, like PF Track, there would be huge benefit from having large segments of the footage memory resident. Perhaps a ASIC is not the answer - perhaps this is a candidate for GPUDirect, leveraging RDMA and its screamingly fast GDDR5 memory?

<Translation> I am also guessing that the Rocket-X is dedicated to the existing role that the regular rocket performs, and don't think people will want to have an additional internal card that only encodes into .RED.

AJ
 
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