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  • Hey all, just changed over the backend after 15 years I figured time to give it a bit of an update, its probably gonna be a bit weird for most of you and i am sure there is a few bugs to work out but it should kinda work the same as before... hopefully :)

More HDRx...

XiaoSu Han said:
Sorry for that, I ment:

Sure, but if x stops is including y stops of noise, then it's just x stops for the PR department and x-y stops for the DP.
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As y --> 0 your argument is increasingly meaningless.

I think that the camera represents ~13 stops on the sensor.

HDRx is best thought of as a way to capture HDR data automatically on set as opposed to just creating it in post out of whole cloth.

Maybe it's just that personally, I'd rather have understated and critical reports about stuff and get surprised to the positive end than having stuff getting hyped to death and then working on it myself and finding problems that people haven't been pointing out because they were so blinded by hype. Hype cuts lighting budgets because producers tend to believe in it, hype even gets feature films made on the 7D.

Please don't get offended just because I am trying to look at this with a critical eye.
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Your attitude towards hype and gear is unprofessional. Every piece of gear ever made since the rock has been overhyped. Your job isn't to step onto set and try to work to the hype.

Your job is to TEST the gear yourself before you step onto a set. By the time you walk onto set nothing about a camera system should be surprising you.

As a person who has shot a feature on a 7D... the thing works. It has limits of course, but I tested the dumb thing to death before I walked onto set. Then I planned my lighting and shots taking its limits into account.

The 7D a terrible camera, and today its the best camera body for cinema work that you can buy for less than $17500.

Your "critical eye" isn't really critical. Most people think that any negative statement is a critical statement. Even some recent dictionaries have gotten this wrong.

Criticism requires analysis, and consideration of the merits and faults of the topic of consideration. That is not what you are expressing.

What you are expressing is doubt, fear and uncertainty. None of these are professional analysis tools.

So, if looking at the images or various clips you observe some issue, then bring that up.

Don't just make up a possible problem and complain about it.

Then again... that seems to be in keeping with most of the concerns on this thread. So, at least you aren't alone.
 
HDRx, this is great stuff guys.

I can't remember how many times I would explain the director/producer why we can't see outside enough!

Great job
 
Wow, wow, wow!

Now this image I can relate to. I've never been to or tried shooting in Vegas so I couldn't relate to that so well when I saw it but I've been round the SouthWest and tried to photograph in the extreme high contrast of the noon day sun. This is phenomenal.

Niel B Smith - I think your mockup of what this would look like if shot on an XDcam is a way off - maybe about right for UK int Ext but the sun is so much brighter over there, I think for that much highlight detail outdoors (in your example) the interior would be significantly darker.

With all the detail of settings and modes, plus the quality of these initial samples it looks like HDRx is almost fully baked. I can't imagine you guys at RED waiting to release this feature after cameras have shipped now. It's too much of a game changer and deserves the bigger impact of being there on camera release.

Year end is drawing near and I hope I can put a camera purchase in this years business expenses for tax. As I'm UK based that's 5th of April but I don't mind if you keep to the US tax year ;-)
 
Nice. I like how you gelled the window and the doorway....jk.
 
Monty Pithon, one of the best ever, just like RED
 
Wow. the DR in this shot is stunning!

Quick question for the red team. Does anyone else notice the grey discoloration in the corners? Is this the lens? It is not vignetting but rather a grey area that is fuzzy and off color. Not dissing the footage, just wondering what that is and if it anything we should be concerned about.

Otherwise, this is a huge step forward.

EDIT: On second thought, the only thing this can be is vignetting. Am I wrong red? I assume you were shooting at 17 mm.
 
Andrew Rieger said:
Quick question for the red team. Does anyone else notice the grey discoloration in the corners? Is this the lens? It is not vignetting but rather a grey area that is fuzzy and off color. Not dissing the footage, just wondering what that is and if it anything we should be concerned about.
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+1 :yesnod:
 
Seems that understanding the implications of what RED is doing and whooping it up a little is grounds enough for others to apply tags like "sycophant" and "fan boys", and the rest. I might understand this if RED was operating in a field replete with equals. But it isn't. Anyway, it might not be cool enough for some, but no matter how effusive we get, we know well enough that it won't add or detract from how we create art, any more than wearing a beret will aid the process. It costs us nothing. So loosen up a bit dudes, at least until there is competition. ( :
 
Ok late in my comments, only just clicked in today, saw Jim's opening barn shot, just wow, no just wow, for my line of corporate work, this is justan amazing tool to have within the scarlet, a $ 1000 extra, no problem.

Many thanks RED.

Hey whats wrong with fan boys, if your negative don't come here.

My gran used to say, if you've nothing good or constructive to say, stop bitching and shut up. Constructive criticism is good, belly aching should but just flushed down the loo or in the Us the jon
 
Jim,
The old adage of knocking down the background or punching up the foreground will be a thing of the past....Thanks for taking me on the second technical revolution ride by Red!

Dave
 
Jim,

As a new filmmaker, I am working on a wildlife film on Trumpeter swans and as you can imagine, on a bright, sunshine day in the wilds of Upper Michigan trying to shoot a bright, white swan is nearly impossible to get a great image. Many shots don't cut it and opportunities in wildlife filmmaking are fleeting. I can truly see the benefits of this amazing achievement you and your team have achieved.

This truly makes a mark on the world of filmmaking. That's what we all hope for in our films, to make a mark or a difference. I have always said I don't want the tools I use to be the reason a film isn't great. With Red Epic and Scarlet, you are helping to take the excuse of equipment limitations out of the picture and putting the ownness on the filmmaker's creativity and hardwork in order to have a great film. Thanks again to you and your team. I'll post a trailer next year if you're interested.
 
Bill Anderson said:
Seems that understanding the implications of what RED is doing and whooping it up a little is grounds enough for others to apply tags like "sycophant" and "fan boys", and the rest.
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We can be a feisty bunch here and might induce an eyeroll or several, but the virulent anti-RED remarks on CML are actually quite funny to read too! Not to paint a broad stroke (as they continually do vis-a-vis these forums), but there's a bunch of professionals who look at the HDRx sample and can barely manage to keep their "negativity" under wraps while pretending to offer professional opinions.
 
Andrew Rieger said:
Wow. the DR in this shot is stunning!

Quick question for the red team. Does anyone else notice the grey discoloration in the corners? Is this the lens? It is not vignetting but rather a grey area that is fuzzy and off color. Not dissing the footage, just wondering what that is and if it anything we should be concerned about.

Otherwise, this is a huge step forward.

EDIT: On second thought, the only thing this can be is vignetting. Am I wrong red? I assume you were shooting at 17 mm.
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It is vignetting. Don't be concerned other than the fact we weren't paying attention. We were too excited. :-)

Jim
 
It is vignetting. Don't be concerned other than the fact we weren't paying attention.
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I believe it could also be some kind of flare. I often shoot with Lomo lenses, and I often get these "corner" flares whenever I point the camera toward a very bright window at the end of a dark doorway. It all depends on the aperture, but if I set my lens at relatively wide open apertures, I typically get those "corner flares". It's hard to find a better word to describe these, but I'm pretty sure they are flares and not vignetting, because they come from light reflections inside the lens.

The only difference is that the Lomo "corner flares" are much more visible. Probably because the anti-reflection treatment from those russian lenses isn't as powerful as the one you've got on Red lenses ;)
 
Sorry if I've missed it, but could you post the single-stream of this for comparison?
 
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