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MacBook Pro 2018 for a RED workflow?

Jeff Kilgroe said:
Ugh... the benchmarks are triggering my OCD. They’re labeled as 29.97 playback, but it’s obviously 24/23.9....
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Yep, Matt Bach is sometimes a bit to fast getting an article out but it's 23.976 and he is one of the few releasing tests of post hard/software, so I rather thank him, than criticize his work.
 
Misha Engel said:
Misha doesn't approve or disapprove anything, I just give my opinion when it suits me and sometimes I'm totally wrong and get corrected soon enough.

But those gigabyte and MSI laptops are tempting if only R3D wasn't so hard on those tiny laptop CPU's (Cineform uses about 5..7 times less compute power with a 10..30% increase in filesize with the same quality output).
It all comes down how you want to work, a bit heavy and get the job done or in style with a fancy under powered laptop.
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Misha, it was a bit of humor. I really appreciate your input. I am in a situation where I am always traveling and need something to at least do basic Resolve or FCPX in the field. I fully intend on eventually having a tower system like the one you have suggested, but I need something soon for a project in October. I was ready to pull the trigger on the new MBP because of FCPX, but now I want to see if the Lenovo with Resolve would be better. It is always something- When you say a bit heavy- if you are talking something that always has to be plugged in it is too heavy. A "fancy, underpowered laptop" that at least lets me do things in the field is not an economic problem considering that it will cost less than a 1tb card for my Monstro, and I need something to work that card with.
 
scott devitte said:
Misha, it was a bit of humor. I really appreciate your input. I am in a situation where I am always traveling and need something to at least do basic Resolve or FCPX in the field. I fully intend on eventually having a tower system like the one you have suggested, but I need something soon for a project in October. I was ready to pull the trigger on the new MBP because of FCPX, but now I want to see if the Lenovo with Resolve would be better. It is always something- When you say a bit heavy- if you are talking something that always has to be plugged in it is too heavy. A "fancy, underpowered laptop" that at least lets me do things in the field is not an economic problem considering that it will cost less than a 1tb card for my Monstro, and I need something to work that card with.
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When you don't do color work on the road, I wouldn't opt. for Davinci Resolve, Davinci is real power hungry and needs fast hardware and an extra monitor for color work.
For just editing and a little color work it's a matter of preference Apple+FCPX or Windows+PP(iGPU support with PP and it works pretty well).

Resolve is more desktop software (maybe the bulky MSI's with a 1080 onboard for 2k/FullHD or max 4k/UHD).
 
Even though the nvidia CEO didn’t mention it I thought it was interesting that Resolve was prominently listed in his presentation as supporting RTX on their new Quadros.

Also: R.I.P. Vega
 
Just a quick report on the Macbook Pro i9 (maxed out everything but SSD), I'm currently exporting a project shot in 8k and edited in native r3d. Just a basic edit so far and I'm exporting a rough cut so no color or effects, and its going to a 1920 h.264. 45 minute long projet, and its taking an hour to export on this laptop. Honestly for a laptop I'm really impressed. Its hot, and its definitely throttling, but during the actual edit its super smooth.
 
Misha Engel said:
Yep, Matt Bach is sometimes a bit to fast getting an article out but it's 23.976 and he is one of the few releasing tests of post hard/software, so I rather thank him, than criticize his work.
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Heh. Not trying to criticize, but I suppose I twitchy eye when it comes to little number things. Staring at countless lines of code for days on end will do that to you.
 
DJ Meyer said:
Even though the nvidia CEO didn’t mention it I thought it was interesting that Resolve was prominently listed in his presentation as supporting RTX on their new Quadros.

Also: R.I.P. Vega
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Must have card that RTX 8000 only $ 10.000 and 2 times faster in resolve(fp32) than a $ 450 RX Vega.
Stupid me, just bought an other vega fe for $800 and a water block, now I have to replace those 3 slow cards.
Well, they served me well the last year, just a pitty I bought the last one.
 
Misha Engel said:
Must have card that RTX 8000 only $ 10.000 and 2 times faster in resolve(fp32) than a $ 450 RX Vega.
Stupid me, just bought an other vega fe for $800 and a water block, now I have to replace those 3 slow cards.
Well, they served me well the last year, just a pitty I bought the last one.
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Haven’t seen any benches yet of the RTX in Resolve. Have you?
 
Misha Engel said:
With a MacBook, FCPX is the way to go, when your on the go (color wise).
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A bit surprised to see you say it Misha, but this is totally true. It certainly works for Mark Toia....
 
I’ll wait to see what nVidia says today after they get back to it and what Jarred offers up after. From what I know so far of Turing / nVidia RTX, it looks like it’s going to be able to munch through wavelets and other complex tasks. Something other current GPU offerings just can’t do, or at least not well. It may or may not be something valuable to most of us in Resolve, depending on how we currently get by. A $10K RTX8000 would be worth it for some workflows, depending on abilities. I don’t see it fitting into anyone’s setup who is currently getting along with dual Vega’s or 1080Ti’s. Of course, there will be GeForce offerings based on Turing coming next spring. My biggest worry with the Turing GPUs is we could see a huge shortage due to all the crypto-dumbasses buying them up. More so than the last couple rounds of GPUs.
 
Misha Engel said:
Impressive, let's hope it works, when can we expect the first demo's?
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They are demoing now.. I think there is a card with the new code running in Premiere somewhere at Siggraph. But the new cards don't ship till the end of the year so you will see SDK integration shortly after that. We are working with them to make this available on all Nvidia cards though ( just not as fast of course) Remember these are the high end workstation cards they announced yesterday, I think it is safe to assume there will be the consumer release of the new chips sometime soon.

We may try and release a super Alpha preview build of RCX before the release of the new cards just so you guys can play with, but it will be super basic.
 
Jarred Land said:
They are demoing now.. I think there is a card with the new code running in Premiere somewhere at Siggraph. But the new cards don't ship till the end of the year so you will see SDK integration shortly after that. We are working with them to make this available on all Nvidia cards though ( just not as fast of course) Remember these are the high end workstation cards they announced yesterday, I think it is safe to assume there will be the consumer release of the new chips sometime soon.

We may try and release a super Alpha preview build of RCX before the release of the new cards just so you guys can play with, but it will be super basic.
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There must be someone with a smartphone at Siggraph and Adobe most be happy to tell the world that they have something new that actually works (unlike the other non working features they have given us the last couple of years). When this works it will take a huge hurdle away for filmers to start using RED (specially the laptop users).
You also mentioned the new consumer cards, are they still 8 bit color in Premiere?
 
How is this all working with eGPU on Mac? Have pretty much given up on the nVidia Mac eGPU thing here.

Anxious to see what the new code does to our existing Titan Xp’s And 1080Ti’s. Also to get my hands on an RTX6000.
 
Misha Engel said:
There must be someone with a smartphone at Siggraph and Adobe most be happy to tell the world that they have something new that actually works (unlike the other non working features they have given us the last couple of years). When this works it will take a huge hurdle away for filmers to start using RED (specially the laptop users).
You also mentioned the new consumer cards, are they still 8 bit color in Premiere?
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That Thinkpad P1 with egpu is looking pretty good now.
 
This is going to kill Apple’s new Mac Pro if they don’t allow users to install off the shelf GPUs.
 
Jeff Kilgroe said:
Anxious to see what the new code does to our existing Titan Xp’s And 1080Ti’s. Also to get my hands on an RTX6000.
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The most important thing looking at older generation cards other than the CUDA cores is memory bandwidth and memory capacity. As much as current gen CUDA cards will benefit from the new software, there is a cutoff where if the card memory is too low it will become the bottleneck andf erase all the gains. We don't know what that exact cutoff is.. but I just dont want people to think that you can use a 2GB card from 5 years ago and expect anything great to happen.

1080ti's are probably at that cutoff but what replaces it likely will not. Of course the RTX cards are not.
 
With this announcement, all of a sudden the MacBook is not that attractive anymore, in the sense that down the line there will probably be no way to plug any of these in via an enclosure by the looks of it...
 
Jarred Land said:
1080ti's are probably at that cutoff but what replaces it likely will not. Of course the RTX cards are not.
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1080ti users are used to every now and then "out of memory" problems in Resolve, that won't be a big deal when it doesn't happen several times a day.

Doing some calculations the R5000 will have a hard time de-bayering 8k (10..11 Tflops 32fp), let's hope it's consumer mirror will also have 16 GB and that it can be overclocked 20..30%, to reach the 8k de-bayer without running out of mem.

It's is not impossible to hook-up a NVidia card to a MacBook Pro and get it working, there are just some pitfals you have to avoid.
 
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