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LEICA R on RED: Pictures

I posted this in the cinematography forum but thought I'd seek some help here as it directly relates to Leica R.

I had the weirdest soft- haze effect when I added a Formatt Hitech Firecrest ND 1.2 4x4 filter in front of my Leica R Summicron 35mm 2.0. I used the same filter in front of my Summilux 50mm 1.4 and this did not occur. Very strange. Any thoughts? Epic-W with standard OLPF on. I tried again with HiLight OLPF and had the same experience. Images below show a before and after image on the 35, and 50 with filter in place.
 

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So I plan on getting the 80mm f/1.4 and the 100mm f/2.8 APO and was wondering if people would still recommend the 90mm APO at that point?

From what I've read the 80mm f/1.4 and the 90mm APO have very different characters, but are the 100mm and 90mm APOs pretty similar? Just wondering if down the line, it makes sense to own all three.

Also what's the general consensus on the 135mm f/2.8? It's by far the cheapest lens out of all the Leica R primes that I've seen so is it bad or just bad by Leica standards?
 
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2nd question: Which Leica R Zoom Combo?

1. 35-70mm f/4 & 80-200mm f/4

or

2. 28-90mm f/2.8-4 & 70-180mm f/2.8 APO

How much better is the 28-90mm f/2.8-4 vs. the 35-70mm f/4?

Ditto for the 70-180mm f/2.8 vs. the 80-200mm f/4?

I can't decide if I want to just get the 35-70mm f/4 and 80-200mm f/4 combo and call it a day or really splurge and buy the 28-90mm + 70-180mm.

Is the a very noticeable optical difference between the these two sets? I've read through this thread and it seems like members really love the 28-90mm and 70-180mm but is it really that much better than the much cheaper 35-70mm f/4 + 80-200mm f/4?

Thanks!
 
I posted this in the cinematography forum but thought I'd seek some help here as it directly relates to Leica R.

I had the weirdest soft- haze effect when I added a Formatt Hitech Firecrest ND 1.2 4x4 filter in front of my Leica R Summicron 35mm 2.0. I used the same filter in front of my Summilux 50mm 1.4 and this did not occur. Very strange. Any thoughts? Epic-W with standard OLPF on. I tried again with HiLight OLPF and had the same experience. Images below show a before and after image on the 35, and 50 with filter in place.

Hi Roddy,

I am going to guess that this has everything to do with the Filter, Lens/coatings and OLPF combination. The OLPF already is filtering IR light so it might be that you are removing parts of the light spectrum, before it hits the lens or the OLPF that is affercting the image quality. it could be something to do with the coatings, try another kind/brand of ND and see if you get the same problem.

David
 
So I plan on getting the 80mm f/1.4 and the 100mm f/2.8 APO and was wondering if people would still recommend the 90mm APO at that point?

From what I've read the 80mm f/1.4 and the 90mm APO have very different characters, but are the 100mm and 90mm APOs pretty similar? Just wondering if down the line, it makes sense to own all three.

Also what's the general consensus on the 135mm f/2.8? It's by far the cheapest lens out of all the Leica R primes that I've seen so is it bad or just bad by Leica standards?

100mm APO macro is the lens that is used as a benchmark for all other lenses. It really is a special piece of glass. I doubt you will be disappointed and you will love this macro.

David
 
100mm APO macro is the lens that is used as a benchmark for all other lenses. It really is a special piece of glass. I doubt you will be disappointed and you will love this macro.

David

Yeah I can't wait to get my hands on it! Is there any difference between early and late serial numbers of the 100mm APO? I know for example Mark was saying later 80mm lenses have less bloom and tend to be a smidgen sharper than earlier ones? Is there anything similar to the 100mm or will pretty much all the lenses behave the same regardless of whether it's 34xxxxx or 37xxxxx?

Thanks!
 
Hi Tony, here are some reactions to your various questions based on my experience.

28-90mm – avoid unless you're ok with it NOT being parfocal. In other words if you adjust the zoom after focusing on something, that something will quickly be out of focus. Most of the other Leica R zooms are parfocal and don't exhibit this issue.

70-180mm vs 80-200mm – Both are excellent choices but for me the 70-180mm wins hands down. The advantages are: Resolution, character, speed and APO correction. The 80-200 feels compact by comparison and has a much friendlier price tag, which are the 2 advantages that come to mind. Supposedly it tests sharper than the Canon f4 equivalent too.

80mm vs 90mm APO Asph vs 100mm APO Macro – 3 completely different beasts (apples/oranges/bananas). Each are great at what they do and I think the 90 APO Asph is often overlooked by cinematographers since its newer, pricier and a stop slower than the 80 Lux. It renders gorgeously though and is the same optical design as the current M version (though it may be a hair crisper due to the larger glass). While the 100 macro is a benchmark for performance, it does have a super-long 720-degree focus throw which I've found isn't as convenient for run n gun as the others. Great for the studio and as a dedicated macro though. If possible, try all 3 before deciding which one(s) to buy... then maybe you'll end up with all 3 like I did :)

35-70 F4 is a solid mid-range zoom. I've found its more of a work-horse and not as sexy as some of the others, but great to have when you need it. Now the 35-70 2.8 Asph is sexy but super expensive and in my experience not 100% par focal but close (seems to be from 39-70). On the wide end the 21-35 3.5-4 zoom is an attractive option too.

135mm is an excellent option, especially for the price. Not as crisp as the 100 macro (though few are) but has more character and is a solid lens in that focal range. For better performance, I'd go with a newer one and check the coatings on the elements as this lens is prone to separation.

For serial numbers its more important that they're consistent for color-matching than anything else (ie within a few years of one another). After testing many many from various years, I've found the later ones tend to be a hair sharper (and that goes for the 100mm macro too) but there's probably more variation between samples in general than there are between specific production years due to things like de-centering, optical damage, debris build-up in the optics, etc. Also later ones tend to have less focus drag and just feel/behave more like a real cine-lens than older vintage glass.

Hope this helps...cheers!
 
Hi Tony, here are some reactions to your various questions based on my experience.

28-90mm – avoid unless you're ok with it NOT being parfocal. In other words if you adjust the zoom after focusing on something, that something will quickly be out of focus. Most of the other Leica R zooms are parfocal and don't exhibit this issue.

70-180mm vs 80-200mm – Both are excellent choices but for me the 70-180mm wins hands down. The advantages are: Resolution, character, speed and APO correction. The 80-200 feels compact by comparison and has a much friendlier price tag, which are the 2 advantages that come to mind. Supposedly it tests sharper than the Canon f4 equivalent too.

80mm vs 90mm APO Asph vs 100mm APO Macro – 3 completely different beasts (apples/oranges/bananas). Each are great at what they do and I think the 90 APO Asph is often overlooked by cinematographers since its newer, pricier and a stop slower than the 80 Lux. It renders gorgeously though and is the same optical design as the current M version (though it may be a hair crisper due to the larger glass). While the 100 macro is a benchmark for performance, it does have a super-long 720-degree focus throw which I've found isn't as convenient for run n gun as the others. Great for the studio and as a dedicated macro though. If possible, try all 3 before deciding which one(s) to buy... then maybe you'll end up with all 3 like I did :)

35-70 F4 is a solid mid-range zoom. I've found its more of a work-horse and not as sexy as some of the others, but great to have when you need it. Now the 35-70 2.8 Asph is sexy but super expensive and in my experience not 100% par focal but close (seems to be from 39-70). On the wide end the 21-35 3.5-4 zoom is an attractive option too.

135mm is an excellent option, especially for the price. Not as crisp as the 100 macro (though few are) but has more character and is a solid lens in that focal range. For better performance, I'd go with a newer one and check the coatings on the elements as this lens is prone to separation.

For serial numbers its more important that they're consistent for color-matching than anything else (ie within a few years of one another). After testing many many from various years, I've found the later ones tend to be a hair sharper (and that goes for the 100mm macro too) but there's probably more variation between samples in general than there are between specific production years due to things like de-centering, optical damage, debris build-up in the optics, etc. Also later ones tend to have less focus drag and just feel/behave more like a real cine-lens than older vintage glass.

Hope this helps...cheers!

Mark you are a legend! Thank you so much for the write up!

So just to be sure, are the 70-180mm ,80-200mm and 35-70mm all Parfocal?
 
So just to be sure, are the 70-180mm ,80-200mm and 35-70mm all Parfocal?

Yes, and if you come across any that aren't, it probably just needs an adjustment. Glad to help!
 
I need to send my 35mm Summilux-R for service. Do you guys have any recommendation here in Europe? To who should I send it?
 
I need to send my 35mm Summilux-R for service. Do you guys have any recommendation here in Europe? To who should I send it?

Try TLS in the UK or P+S Technik in Germany.
 
Yeah I can't wait to get my hands on it! Is there any difference between early and late serial numbers of the 100mm APO? I know for example Mark was saying later 80mm lenses have less bloom and tend to be a smidgen sharper than earlier ones? Is there anything similar to the 100mm or will pretty much all the lenses behave the same regardless of whether it's 34xxxxx or 37xxxxx?

Thanks!

Mark is the one who has a great grasp on the serial numbers. Generally the more recent Serials are better copies. The 100 APO 2.8 is the good one. There is a previous 100 that is not quite as sharp.


David
 
This is two years old, but I'm shooting season 3 next week, so it's been on my mind. I have some insane plans for Season 3.

I'm always tempted to just plop a leko down in the frame and shoot it into the lens, love the way it looks!

Warning, this video features real human cadavers.

Leica R Elmarits from the 1960s.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MiK5s3HjCeY

Educational material doesn't have to look boring!
 
Nice look and treatment Naim.

Educational healthcare projects are an interesting challenge and glad to see you're pushing the envelope and on a 50-year old Leica R set. Oh the irony... :)
 
Hi!!

I d like to share a music video I made the cinematography and color .Shot with my Leica R set (Mainly Summilux! 35-50-80 , 19 mm series 2 elmarit and 100 mm elmarit macro! from the 80s) Shot with Scarlet MX in natural light , still a good camera when equiped with good lenses!

For the image we went for a very very soft look!

Hope you enjoy!!

https://vimeo.com/238730984/

Lluís Velamazán
 
Great look Lluís... classic Red meets vintage Leica R glass!
 
What focus gears are you guys using on the summicron-R's? As I am looking for the tilta nucleus-M/N. But I will need some focus gears for the lenses itself. (I also need focus gears for my sigma lenses as well).

Thanks,
 
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