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  • Hey all, just changed over the backend after 15 years I figured time to give it a bit of an update, its probably gonna be a bit weird for most of you and i am sure there is a few bugs to work out but it should kinda work the same as before... hopefully :)

Lattice - A LUT Tool

Lattice 1.3

Lattice 1.3

Hey all,

We’ve just finished putting the finishing touches on Lattice 1.3 – we’ve added some awesome new features. You now have the ability to apply a CTL transform (including ACES 1.0 CTLs) to a LUT. You can also now apply a CDL grade from ALE, FLEx, CMX EDL, CC, CCC, and CDL files. There’s also a bunch of other improvements as well. If you haven’t checked out Lattice yet, now’s a great time to try it.

Lattice 1.3 is available to existing customers as a free upgrade. If you don’t already own Lattice, we have fantastic news: it’s on sale from now until Valentine’s Day at $99.99. You’d be literally crazy not to pick up a copy for yourself or for that special someone in your life who needs advanced LUT manipulation tools. After February 14th, Lattice 1.3 will be available at its regular price of $149.99. You can purchase it right now at our website http://lattice.videovillage.co.

Lattice keeps getting better because of your support and feedback, so please continue letting us know what you’d like to see so we can build it for you!

Cheers,
Greg and Wil
 
sorry but I'm a newbie on LUT manipulation: what's the workflow like? Is this something to view Live on Camera as a Preset Look (I have an Epic) or to be applied later on in the post?
 
Enrique Blein said:
sorry but I'm a newbie on LUT manipulation: what's the workflow like? Is this something to view Live on Camera as a Preset Look (I have an Epic) or to be applied later on in the post?
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REDs don't have LUT support but you could get something called a LUT box (from BMD or Aja) that will apply a LUT to a HD-SDI signal. Generally a "look" LUT would be applied to a LUT box for preview purposes and then used in post or even burned into dailies.
 
How does this compare to Lightspace LUTS software?
 
I just watched the LR demo video but I don't understand what role Lattice is playing in that video. It looks like you create a dummy file and then bring it into LR. I think the language used is something like "I already brought this in". I'm just not clear what is going on there or what happens when we go back to Lattice. It looks like LR is doing all the work.
 
Jason Osterday said:
How does this compare to Lightspace LUTS software?
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LS is an all-in-one display profiling/calibration/LUT-conversion-manipulation solution that does way more things than Lattice (obviously at a much higher price point)... so for example, u cannot (color accurately) calibrate a LUT box or a screen via Lattice from display profile data.

Lattice is a very affordable LUT manipulation tool.
 
Mike Nagel said:
LS is an all-in-one display profiling/calibration/LUT-conversion-manipulation solution that does way more things than Lattice (obviously at a much higher price point)... so for example, u cannot (color accurately) calibrate a LUT box or a screen via Lattice from display profile data.

Lattice is a very affordable LUT manipulation tool.
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I see Lattice and LS / CalMAN as complementary products. LS and CalMAN focus on display calibration, including creating a 3D correction LUT. Lattice is a wonderful tool to view LUTs and convert between various LUTs.

Greg Cotton said:
REDs don't have LUT support but you could get something called a LUT box (from BMD or Aja) that will apply a LUT to a HD-SDI signal. Generally a "look" LUT would be applied to a LUT box for preview purposes and then used in post or even burned into dailies.
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Along with BMD and AJA, you also have the Fuji IS-Mini. In the consumer space you have 17-point 3D LUTs in the Prisma and Lumagen. I am using two Prisma's at home to correct a couple of displays. There is also the EE Colorbox.
 
AJA LUT box won't do Live Grading, just to point out in case anyone is thinking of using it in that way. It just stores LUTs that can then be applied to the output.
 
The AJA also converts video range into PC range internally. For those that might care about the video range. This results in a loss of head and toe room. Something we have asked them to fix. The Fuji does not do this.

The Fuji also offers an input and output 1D LUT. The AJA now offers a 1D LUT. I think its on the output. Normally if you use both a 1D and 3D, for correction, you want the 1D LUT on the output. ie between the LUT and the display. Then the 3D LUT would be applied on top of the 1D LUT. The 1D is mainly to correct grayscale (white balance) and gamma. The less the 3D has to correct, the better.

Steve Sherrick said:
AJA LUT box won't do Live Grading, just to point out in case anyone is thinking of using it in that way. It just stores LUTs that can then be applied to the output.
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How popular is a 3D creative LUT in HW? I think of them mostly from the correction point of view.
 
Stacey Spears said:
The AJA also converts video range into PC range internally. For those that might care about the video range. This results in a loss of head and toe room. Something we have asked them to fix. The Fuji does not do this.

The Fuji also offers an input and output 1D LUT. The AJA now offers a 1D LUT. I think its on the output. Normally if you use both a 1D and 3D, for correction, you want the 1D LUT on the output. ie between the LUT and the display. Then the 3D LUT would be applied on top of the 1D LUT. The 1D is mainly to correct grayscale (white balance) and gamma. The less the 3D has to correct, the better.



How popular is a 3D creative LUT in HW? I think of them mostly from the correction point of view.
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We use the LUT boxes for live grading a lot usually with something like Pomfort Live Grade, nextLAB Live or LinkColor.
 
Stacey Spears said:
LS and CalMAN focus on display calibration, including creating a 3D correction LUT. Lattice is a wonderful tool to view LUTs and convert between various LUTs.
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LS has always been the premier 3D LUT creation and manipulation tool, that is their bread and butter. LS has many, many LUT manipulation and conversion tools. Obviously, to get all of these features u need to have the correct LS version.

Lattice is a nice addition to visualize some of these adjustments.
 
LightSpace CMS comes in a number of flavours, as Mike has suggested.

For direct LUT manipulation, conversion and visualisation LightSpace LUTs has many capabilities, at a very affordable price.
If you wan to add ASC CDL/ACES/Arri Look capability you can get LightSpace LUTs+, still for a very affordable price.

To add display calibration you then look at the probes, displays, and grading systems you want to work with, and can choose between LightSpace LTE, LightSpace CAL, LightSpace PRO, and LightSpace XPT - each offering greater calibration capability and hardware integration than then previous version in the list.

And as you can upgrade from any LS version to any other LS version (as well as Trade-Up from alternative calibration, colour management and LUT systems to LightSpace CMS) it is very cost effective way to build colour tools and capability.

Steve
 
Mike Nagel said:
LS has always been the premier 3D LUT creation and manipulation tool, that is their bread and butter. LS has many, many LUT manipulation and conversion tools. Obviously, to get all of these features u need to have the correct LS version.

Lattice is a nice addition to visualize some of these adjustments.
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Mike,

Respectfully, I think you are underselling Lattice's capabilities. It is not simply a tool to "visualize adjustments" made in Lightspace. Lattice is a full featured Mac app designed for LUT transformation, visualization, image/video previewing, and conversion. A full list of features can be found on our website. We have made no effort to create a calibration tool as Lightspace and CalMan both do tremendous jobs at that.

Greg
 
Greg Cotten said:
Mike,

Respectfully, I think you are underselling Lattice's capabilities. It is not simply a tool to "visualize adjustments" made in Lightspace. Lattice is a full featured Mac app designed for LUT transformation, visualization, image/video previewing, and conversion. A full list of features can be found on our website. We have made no effort to create a calibration tool as Lightspace and CalMan both do tremendous jobs at that.

Greg
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absolutely, my point was that CM is in no way shape or form on any level with LS in regards to 3D LUT...

I think LS and Lattice are a great combo... ;-)
 
Stacey Spears said:
As a dealer for LS I can understand you saying that since you have a vested interest in LS just as I have a vested interest in CM.
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(in regards to 3D LUTs) doesn't make anything I said any different. Everybody can do their own testing. CM only has 3D LUT creation for a very, very limited supported set of LUT formats. Results are inferior. Check Zoyds latest tests on AVS. More importantly, CM is not built to deal with display profile data in a modular fashion, meaning: u cannot load display profiles, create any LUT targeting any possible color space, do custom tweaks and then export to whatever format you like. (Argyll can't do that either)

That is LS.

3D LUTs is not what CM is for. CM's main usage is 3/6pt traditional cal and/or usage for val reports. It took 2 years u had an actual result with the colorbox (--> eeColor), although u were selling the hardware for even longer in the store... and obviously, these results weren't usable... ;-)

Last time I checked, CM had no LUT manipulation tools. Absolutely zero.

CM is as usable for 3D LUTs as LS is for 6pt cal.

I dare anybody to prove me wrong..... ;-))))
 
I would like to take this moment to point out the title of this thread and suggest that we stay on topic!
 
Hi Greg,

Hopefully you're still checking this thread. Just bought the app.
Having trouble converting red log film to cineon. I'm using the transfer function. RLF to Alexa Log C works, I see a change in both image and curves but when I try and 'transfer' RLF to cineon, there is no change anywhere.
Am I doing something wrong? (My source file is a dpx rendered out of Resolve, using RLF)

Thanks,

Dom
 
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