KOMODO....

[Clayton Burns]

Does anyone know what the whole thing with the hydrogen is. I own one and I don’t know if that discount will come with the production models or after. And do I just need my serial number?

I assume this hasn’t been addressed yet as we haven’t seen the production models yet, but it would be nice to know if the discount will come on time with the production models or if I should just get a Komodo on release date and sell my hydrogen

 

[Andy Roberts]

Does anyone know what the whole thing with the hydrogen is. I own one and I don’t know if that discount will come with the production models or after. And do I just need my serial number?

Original Hydrogen owners get BLACK PRODUCTION Komodo's for $4995. That was the last known info. You can't have bought it from someone on eBay. You have to be the original buyer from Red. I don't know if you need to own it still to get the discount.

The first post in this thread (1 year anniversary yesterday), Jarred said about Komodo, (Note: - It is not under $5k, unless you own a Hydrogen.)

- It is not DSMC3
- It is not a replacement for DSMC2
- It is not 8k VV
- It is not a Dragon or a Helium or a Gemini or a Monstro Sensor
- It does not have an HDMI port
- It does not use proprietary media
- It is not a “module”
- It is not under $5k, unless you own a Hydrogen.
- It has no XLR ports
- It does not have a fixed lens
- It’s body does not weight more than 2 pounds.
- It is not larger than 4 inches in any dimension.

 

[Travis MacRitchie]

I'm late to the party... can someone PM me clark's email? I want to see if I can still get on the list for a stormtrooper or two. Thanks!

 

[Patrick Tresch]

^ this is correct, but this is also the price for limited edition (so far) and Stormtrooper White bodies. Production Black cams will be a lower/different price.

If it comes enhough down it will eat up that A7s3 market that needs to go a bit more professional.

 

[Todd G. Peterson]

I'm late to the party... can someone PM me clark's email? I want to see if I can still get on the list for a stormtrooper or two. Thanks!

I'm in the same boat. I'm willing to pay the extra cost for the limited edition ST, but I keep getting told that I missed out. The list is closed. Hoping that there will be another opportunity soon.

 

[Bastien Tribalat]

If it comes enhough down it will eat up that A7s3 market that needs to go a bit more professional.

I see your point, but I do not agree. I mean, IF an A7SIII is the kind of camera one needs to do her/his work, a RED Komodo (or any RED) isn't probably the best for that work. You have to factor in the footage archival, the processing and on and on. Different tools for different jobs. That doesn't mean you can't use one instead of the other and vice versa, but that won't be a reasonable decision IMO.
(it's like Linus Tech Tips, which I like don't get me wrong, or MKBHD who I really like as well, who shoot their tech reviews on RED Helium 8K... Yes it can be done, yes they absolutely do what they want, BUT it's not what this tool is made for IMO. Linus Tech Tips always shoots between 12:1 and 20:1 to save storage space !!!)

 

[Peter Stanley]

Do people think there’s any chance that there will be another pre order list? Production model or stormtrooper - once all the current stormtrooper email list has been completed of course. Just One for people that have been following along for a while now. I hope so, after seeing more footage I’m pretty sure I want to pick one up and don’t want to miss out.

 

[Michael Tiemann]

I see your point, but I do not agree. I mean, IF an A7SIII is the kind of camera one needs to do her/his work, a RED Komodo (or any RED) isn't probably the best for that work. You have to factor in the footage archival, the processing and on and on. Different tools for different jobs. That doesn't mean you can't use one instead of the other and vice versa, but that won't be a reasonable decision IMO.
(it's like Linus Tech Tips, which I like don't get me wrong, or MKBHD who I really like as well, who shoot their tech reviews on RED Helium 8K... Yes it can be done, yes they absolutely do what they want, BUT it's not what this tool is made for IMO. Linus Tech Tips always shoots between 12:1 and 20:1 to save storage space !!!)

Linus just ordered 6x BMD 12K cameras.

 

[Bastien Tribalat]

Linus just ordered 6x BMD 12K cameras.

.... Really ? Damn !
In way I do think it's not the most appropriate tools for what they do BUT if they can afford it (and they can) I also admire the fact that their willing to sort of go the extra-mile to produce their content.
But still, for a solo shooter who does client work in the corporate and/or weddings side of things, it's not the most reasonnable tool.

 

[DJ Meyer]

.... Really ? Damn !
In way I do think it's not the most appropriate tools for what they do BUT if they can afford it (and they can) I also admire the fact that their willing to sort of go the extra-mile to produce their content.
But still, for a solo shooter who does client work in the corporate and/or weddings side of things, it's not the most reasonnable tool.

Linus orders 6 12k cameras because his business model is getting people to watch his YouTube videos about the guy who does things like order 6 12k cameras.

He's the tech equivalent to a hot-rod car builder. Nothing wrong with that but its more spectacle than anything else.

 

[Ryan Williams]

I know everyone is chomping at the bit to get their Komodo. I opted to wait until I knew more about the camera and had a clearer sense of upcoming projects where it would be better than a DSMC2.

In the past week I picked up two run and gun projects in October and November outside the US. At this point, is there any chance that I could get a Komodo before the end of September?

Unlikely, as I believe it was stated that the normal production Komodos (black version) won't be listed until Sept/Oct at the earliest, possibly later due to C19. You could probably cozy up to some of the people who have STs and offer to rent it from them (as a possible solution).

 

[Todd G. Peterson]

Unlikely, as I believe it was stated that the normal production Komodos (black version) won't be listed until Sept/Oct at the earliest, possibly later due to C19. You could probably cozy up to some of the people who have STs and offer to rent it from them (as a possible solution).

That's what I feared. :/ Note sure if there will be anyone in Croatia that I can rent from. Meanwhile I'll have to stick with DSCM2 or Alexa Mini. I've done plenty of run and gun with those. If I get desperate, I can use a BM micro cam or even a GoPro

 

[Jonathan Keane]

I have a feeling we might see normal production models towards the end of August. Look how many stormtroopers they have been pumping out, all I see on IG is more people posting pictures of their komodo and Jarred personally handing people their cameras (pretty cool)
It seemed like for awhile it was an orange one here a yellow one there not much going on then BOOM! You get a stormtrooper! you get a stormtrooper!
I think the red team has picked up speed and we might get lucky. Of course this can all change if covid gets worse.

 

[Todd G. Peterson]

I have a feeling we might see normal production models towards the end of August. Look how many stormtroopers they have been pumping out, all I see on IG is more people posting pictures of their komodo and Jarred personally handing people their cameras (pretty cool)
It seemed like for awhile it was an orange one here a yellow one there not much going on then BOOM! You get a stormtrooper! you get a stormtrooper!
I think the red team has picked up speed and we might get lucky. Of course this can all change if covid gets worse.

I hope your right. Of course CoVID could change things, but the IG updates from Jarred have been astounding. It sounds like there is a long ST list yet to get through, but it might not take more than a few weeks to get through those. If they can wrap up production versions of the firmware and other bits, it does seem possible that black Komodos could start being produced in August and getting to customers in late August or September. I'm crossing my fingers.

Now, I just need to go buy a bunch of media and storage. At 835GB/hr in MQ I'm going to need it!

 

[Jacob Tsering]

So in this video, you need a device with WiFi?

Can it transmit to iPad w/o or...?

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=XsbCdBcA3BU

Yes you need a device with wifi. All iPad's have wifi so I don't see why this would be an issue. You might be asking if it requires cellular which in that case it does not. The komodo creates its own wifi network and then you can access video feed or control through the new app Red Control.

 

[Jacob Tsering]

Aren’t iPads the best monitors resolution wise? Retina displays?
Does it hardwire connect?

There is no way to physically hardwire the connection.At that point just connect the SDI to a solid monitor. The iPad is a good display but over wifi you're never gonna get an image that is truly comparable to the actual image due to limitations of streaming and the crazy bitrate the cameras record at.

 

[Michael Hastings]

.... SNIP
But still, for a solo shooter who does client work in the corporate and/or weddings side of things, it's not the most reasonnable tool.

Why not?

 

[Daymian Mejia]

Yeah, I'd be curious when we see the first wave of the black (regular) Komodo's go out to the private list. Then, eventually we start to see them on B&H and other resellers.

 

[Phil Holland]

Phil said there is no removable OLPF I belief but can anyone confirm? What is it like without the lens?

OLPF is... glued to sensor? this time?

No. It's mounted firmly via hardware at not quick release or removable like the larger cameras.

Komodo has a new OLPF, and candidly as I don't cuss much, it's fucking good. Like really good.

I messaged Jarred within a few hours of shooting, like day 1, when I picked up my Komodo and immediately asked if this could be implemented in DSMC2 cameras, but it appears it's a combination of several technologies unique to Komodo. Which mainly gives us hope that this is the potential direction of DSMC3 as well.

I wrote about this in my thread, but several things that this does.

The OLPF, or likely a better way to look at things is the optical path of the camera, has a Low Pass/Anti-Aliasing Filter as well as a Color Science Filter designed to pass through, tweak, block, absorb, cut, or reflect various wavelengths of light. Mainly where this is super important is dealing with Infrared Contamination, but Ultra Violet is also dealt with as well as the rest of spectrum.

Komodo itself has an underlying color calibration and very likely the sensor and CSF was also designed in tandem to get this level of performance.

What this solves is the "Deep Aperture Red Orbs" we have seen over the years. This is a first for RED Digital Cinema Cameras and still something that plagues other camera systems as well.

In terms of colorimetry this new Komodo CSF is closer to the color response of the Skin Tone - Highlight OLPF from what I can discern, that's also a good thing as that filter led to the best color out of the current DSMC2 and DSMC bodies. Interestingly this tells me that Komodo is actually pretty low light sensitive potentially considering it's performance at higher ISOs like 3200.

This does make me wonder if DSMC3 will have Interchangeable OLPFs, I still see that as a creative and technical choice. But this new design solves so many technical issues and opens the world of deep aperture filmmaking back up for people who have have been dancing around this on various systems over the years.

The additional benefit of this filter, which is also similar to the STH though better, is the alarmingly pleasing highlight roll-off at full clip as seen here. There is a new characteristic to an orb in the lens flare, but in a world without a magenta dot grid pattern beating up my images as well as a pretty roll-off like this, hell, I'm cool with this. There's one other system out there that does something similar that render this in a white orb, which I think is a little nasty as that looks a bit not like a normal lens flare.

This makes me think Komodo Monochrome, whenever that goes down, is likely going to be something like an ISO 2000-32000 Base and will be scary good in low light without this filter.

For those new to the RED ecosystem, or just a digital cinema camera that utilizes tech like this. With the previous/current OLPFs they all have underlying calibration, which is most noticeable when examining the color of the absolute Noise Floor (i.e. pure black under exposed). Komodo's calibration with this new CSF sides a bit on the reddish side if you shoot a lens cap black and boost the NF to 5-10 IRE at ISO 12800 or higher, which is similar to how the STH renders the abyss.

Interestingly for those familiar with actual film, Density Floor DMin (native film base noise) seems somewhat similar in character to Vision 3 250D at the blackest black. Probably not relevant to most, but if you know you know.

*edit, yes I reflected light to illuminate my nose hair with the sun flare. These are pandemic inspired solutions while I doddle around with loaves of bread on my feet.

 

[Clayton Burns]

So when Komodo comes out in the black models, will they instantly sell out, or will the supply be consistent enough to keep up with demand.

LOL I guess I just want to know how fast I should be refreshing the RED website. My typing speed is pretty good at around 92 WPM so I should be able get my information punched in on time but there is just this undeniable fear deep within me that I might miss the cutoff if they sell out.

I just hope we get like 24 hours notice to get ready for the drop lol