Billy Jim
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...And yet the spiciest meatball of CFexpress has much more to do with Type-C, which nobody in the world is focused on at the moment...
CFexpress A, B & C sizes
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...And yet the spiciest meatball of CFexpress has much more to do with Type-C, which nobody in the world is focused on at the moment...
Has it been stated, whether Komodo will allow for an external SSD like the Samsung T5 or is it CFast only?
Using a BMPCC 4K, the Tilta side handle that allows for the T5 to drop in, is really good. Couple that with a battery inside the handle and it's rather compact as well.
To keep pricing down for the Komodo and make it competitive against the BMPCC 4K/6K, these are the things that Red are gonna have to think about. Not everyone who is looking for an entry level Red wants to spend 10k+. They aren't going to want to buy $900 1TB CFast cards, when a 2TB SSD costs $250 and has a similar Read/Write.
Battery Life, Monitors, Storage..etc. These are the things that alot of Redusers are accustomed to anticipating when purchasing Red. Newer shooters that this is sort of targeted at, is not going to like the "Fine Print" style accessories and cost attributed to them.
Has it been stated, whether Komodo will allow for an external SSD like the Samsung T5 or is it CFast only?
Using a BMPCC 4K/6K, the Tilta side handle that allows for the T5 to drop in, is really good. Couple that with a battery inside the handle and it's rather compact as well.
To keep pricing down for the Komodo and make it competitive against the BMPCC 4K/6K, these are the things that Red are gonna have to think about. Not everyone who is looking for an entry level Red wants to spend 10k+. They aren't going to want to buy $900 1TB CFast cards, when a 2TB SSD costs $250 and has a similar Read/Write.
Battery Life, Monitors, Storage..etc. These are the things that alot of Redusers are accustomed to anticipating when purchasing Red. Newer shooters that this is sort of targeted at, is not going to like the "Fine Print" style accessories and cost attributed to them.
And finally, IF you're not in a shooting scenario where you need to capture really long takes (like I don't know a concert or an event or whatever), you shouldn't use a too big media card because in case of media corruption, or a card being lost or stolen, you loose way to much of content. That's just my two cents anyway but I prefer a bunch of 128GB cards than one 1TB.
Incoming rant-long-answer. We've all been captivated by the potential and marketing of faster CFexpress media for sure.
Let's be specific. Namely what most people would be looking for are CFexpress 2.0 Type-B form factor cards. Which is a still pretty new memory format. So new that the actual media that you will be likely be looking to use is still not out yet.
Second, people who really don't want to invest in a big CFast 2.0 card car always gothe SolidPod route
Don't you think they could have, instead of one CFast 2.0, chosen to implement 2 XQD cards slots?
Pros:
- 440MB/s writing and 400MB/s reading
- Size identical to future CFexpress 2.0 (Komodo compatibility via firmware, like the Sony FX9)
- On the market since 2015, cheap, extremely reliable, low temp.
- Dual card slots means different types of recording possibilities (relay, mirror...)
Cons:
- Partnership with Sony (E mount and Sony BP batteries instead of Canon RF mount and BP-XXXG?)
-Price tag reflecting the partnership?
-Too late?
Don't you think they could have, instead of one CFast 2.0, chosen to implement 2 XQD cards slots?
Pros:
- 440MB/s writing and 400MB/s reading
- Size identical to future CFexpress 2.0 (Komodo compatibility via firmware, like the Sony FX9)
- On the market since 2015, cheap, extremely reliable, low temp.
- Dual card slots means different types of recording possibilities (relay, mirror...)
Cons:
- Partnership with Sony (E mount and Sony BP batteries instead of Canon RF mount and BP-XXXG?)
-Price tag reflecting the partnership?
-Too late?
lol. No. Just no. Even XQD is going away in favor of CFexpress (from other companies) as Sony will eventually abandon the format as they got what they were looking for there, so best bet there is to hope some sort of miracle, but I would expect not due to the reasons CFexpress has had multiple delays.
And again, CFast 2.0: Sustained Write 490 MB/s. Reads = Sustained 550 MB/s
I don't need to point out the obvious, but I've already done it multiple times already, Sony is a competitor to RED and Sony won't license E-Mount tech. Hell, half the reason you have various other weird mounts in mirrorless is due to unique licensing issues surrounding that even with companies that partner with Sony on various tech. Canon is also a competitor, but there's always been a lot of love between these two brands dating way back. RED has the unique position at the moment of being the only other camera company supporting RF Mount other than Canon and you're about to see a sea of optics from Sigma and Canon coming for the mount still. Might be more coming once Zeiss figures out their path too. And yes, you can adapt damn near anything to RF Mount.
I own and use Sony mirrorless cameras, dig them. RF is going to be around for a long, long time and it's the earliest of days. Sony absolutely has gained steam in the mirrorless world and Canon was/is wicked late to the party, but keep in mind the most popular and common mount in the world by a significant margin is Canon EF. Canon took their time developing everything to get it right. They've already implemented unique features in a shorter flange depth smart mount. So much so I imagine an E-Mount V2 is on the horizon eventually.
Dual slots works well for the DSLR and Mirrorless world, but based on the amount of professionals that even use that, truly not worth the squeeze. What you do need is intelligence communicating with your media to discern media health and even better having a codec that completes writes when power is pulled, which REDCODE RAW does btw. Bare in mind we don't know anything about what Komodo does, but even in the RED world already REDCODE RAW and ProRes can be recorded at the same time to the same media card. I don't know/think Komodo has the bandwidth for that, it would be impressive if it does, but Komodo is clearly a very optimized small form factor body. It's going to do "some stuff" that it's bigger brothers can do for sure, but certainly not everything as Jarred has mentioned.
We've got a few more years of CFast 2.0 being a standard in this industry, it's not going anywhere for a while. I know it's an "older media format" in the face of the latest technologies, but what's more important is that it's a "matured media format" and widely available and supported. Which is still not something we can truly say about CFexpress until it actually is there.
CFexpress will 100% have market adoption in particular due to the FX9 and C500 MK II, but that's about it at the moment.
lol. No. Just no. Even XQD is going away in favor of CFexpress (from other companies) as Sony will eventually abandon the format as they got what they were looking for there, so best bet there is to hope some sort of miracle, but I would expect not due to the reasons CFexpress has had multiple delays.
And again, CFast 2.0: Sustained Write 490 MB/s. Reads = Sustained 550 MB/s
I don't need to point out the obvious, but I've already done it multiple times already, Sony is a competitor to RED and Sony won't license E-Mount tech. Hell, half the reason you have various other weird mounts in mirrorless is due to unique licensing issues surrounding that even with companies that partner with Sony on various tech. Canon is also a competitor, but there's always been a lot of love between these two brands dating way back. RED has the unique position at the moment of being the only other camera company supporting RF Mount other than Canon and you're about to see a sea of optics from Sigma and Canon coming for the mount still. Might be more coming once Zeiss figures out their path too. And yes, you can adapt damn near anything to RF Mount.
I own and use Sony mirrorless cameras, dig them. RF is going to be around for a long, long time and it's the earliest of days. Sony absolutely has gained steam in the mirrorless world and Canon was/is wicked late to the party, but keep in mind the most popular and common mount in the world by a significant margin is Canon EF. Canon took their time developing everything to get it right. They've already implemented unique features in a shorter flange depth smart mount. So much so I imagine an E-Mount V2 is on the horizon eventually.
Dual slots works well for the DSLR and Mirrorless world, but based on the amount of professionals that even use that, truly not worth the squeeze. What you do need is intelligence communicating with your media to discern media health and even better having a codec that completes writes when power is pulled, which REDCODE RAW does btw. Bare in mind we don't know anything about what Komodo does, but even in the RED world already REDCODE RAW and ProRes can be recorded at the same time to the same media card. I don't know/think Komodo has the bandwidth for that, it would be impressive if it does, but Komodo is clearly a very optimized small form factor body. It's going to do "some stuff" that it's bigger brothers can do for sure, but certainly not everything as Jarred has mentioned.
We've got a few more years of CFast 2.0 being a standard in this industry, it's not going anywhere for a while. I know it's an "older media format" in the face of the latest technologies, but what's more important is that it's a "matured media format" and widely available and supported. Which is still not something we can truly say about CFexpress until it actually is there.
CFexpress will 100% have market adoption in particular due to the FX9 and C500 MK II, but that's about it at the moment.
Has anyone used or tested some of these CFast 2.0 cards (like Angelbird or Prograde Digital) that claim sustained writes in the upper 400MB/s range? I'm curious as to whether they really hit anywhere close to those speeds in real applications since none of them are rated for 3:1 on the Pocket 6K, which is 323 MB/s.
I DOUBT (but hey I'm all in for a good surprise) that Komodo will do Redcode 3:1 anyway.
Yeah, probably true, but I'd assume the media limitations would be the driving factor.
I think it stands to reason that if you can get full frame 40fps then prob getting 120fps is probable at 1080 if not at 4k.