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  • Hey all, just changed over the backend after 15 years I figured time to give it a bit of an update, its probably gonna be a bit weird for most of you and i am sure there is a few bugs to work out but it should kinda work the same as before... hopefully :)

Incredible...

Not much to say here but I guess I can't contain myself.The ability to shoot RAW video at some point next year is very tantalising.To the RED team - this is amazing stuff - you have many people rooting you on I can't wait for the schedule release.
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Looks like everything has been solved! Record button on front where 'it's supposed to be' ...and would you look at the size of that optical viewfinder!

Soderberg is one lucky guy to get his hands on that camera.

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Jim,

when can we see some frames from epic and scarlet? I really want to compare the 2/3 fixed to the S35. I'm a noob and trying to decide if it is better off holding out for the s35 (scarlet) over the 2/3 fixed.:undecided:

thanks,

Dave
 
Michael Dalton said:
I see a lot of scarlet people seem to be after the FF35 over the S35. I'm curious what it is that pushing everyone that way?
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I can't speak for everyone but for me it goes something like this:

- I can shoot S35 on a FF35, I can't shoot FF35 on a S35.
- Increased resolution.
- Ability to shoot Anamorphic using a 4:3 section of the sensor.
- Better format for FX work since it'll give you a large look around area for tracking outside the s35 framing.
- Better format for capturing green screen elements.
- 1 more stop of Dynamic Range. Which also means it'll be more sensitive in low light and have less noise.

The one big con and the only thing I don't like about the FF35 Scarlet over the S35 is that it's about 33% larger in all the renderings shown to date. I'm mildly concerned it'll be borderline "too big" for handheld still work.

I hope part of "everything is subject to change" is that the FF35 scarlet loses a little weight and isn't the same size as the FF35 Epic.

Although who knows when it'll be released. We don't know when the S35 line is going to be released and we've been seeing renderings off of MysteriumX for months. We've seen nothing from Monstro yet, so it might be a good deal off into the future. In which case the S35 Scarlet might benefit from a lot of impatient purchasing. Guess we won't know till October. And even then we might not know anything about the FF35 timetable.
 
Joseph Hutson said:
Sounds like you guys are done changing things. :biggrin5: This also may mean they are in production on the assembly line and also may be ready for me to buy at the end of the month. :001_tt1:

(and I am sure Jim loves his job when he sees thousands of people just waiting to give the word)
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Schedule will be posted by the end of the month. I really don't like it when people put words in my mouth.

Jim
 
Gavin Greenwalt said:
- I can shoot S35 on a FF35, I can't shoot FF35 on a S35.
- Increased resolution.
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It should be understood that if you shoot a S35 area (or with lenses that only cover S35) with your FF35 camera, you're actually getting less resolution than you would just shooting with a S35 camera.

Gavin Greenwalt said:
- Ability to shoot Anamorphic using a 4:3 section of the sensor.
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Shooting anamorphic is really the only reason I can see to really lust after a FF35 camera (all other things being equal - which we know they aren't). The chip itself gains a lot more vertical resolution than horizontal resolution over the S35, which means that if you intend to shoot widescreen projects (which most people do) and with spherical lenses (which most people do), you don't gain nearly as much resolution as you would if you shot it anamorphically. And again, you need lenses that cover FF35 to get that resolution bonus at all.

Gavin Greenwalt said:
The one big con and the only thing I don't like about the FF35 Scarlet over the S35 is that it's about 33% larger in all the renderings shown to date.
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I'm really shocked to hear this... I thought all of the Scarlet bodies had the same width and all of the Epic bodies had a slightly wider, but uniform width so that all of the modules would be the same across both lines of cameras and the difference between the Scarlet and Epic body widths would be made up by one simple adapter module. Is that not the case?
 
Häakon said:
Gavin Greenwalt said:
The one big con and the only thing I don't like about the FF35 Scarlet over the S35 is that it's about 33% larger in all the renderings shown to date.
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I'm really shocked to hear this... I thought all of the Scarlet bodies had the same width and all of the Epic bodies had a slightly wider, but uniform width so that all of the modules would be the same across both lines of cameras and the difference between the Scarlet and Epic body widths would be made up by one simple adapter module. Is that not the case?
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Gavin's correct, renders of the FF35 Scarlet show that it'll be the same width as the Epics. I certainly don't see it as a 'con' though, it's a significantly bigger sensor and I'm sure warrants the larger enclosure.
 
Steven Hilder said:
Gavin's correct, renders of the FF35 Scarlet show that it'll be the same width as the Epics. I certainly don't see it as a 'con' though, it's a significantly bigger sensor and I'm sure warrants the larger enclosure.
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Ah, I do notice that... for some reason, reading his post made it sound like it would be gigantic. :p

I agree that the smaller form factor of Scarlet vs. Epic is nice, but it's not that drastic a difference and people will be doing plenty of handheld work with Epic, too. It'll be fine.

I had asked back at the NAB party why Scarlet was smaller - if the modules work with both systems, why not just make a uniform size so that you don't need an adapter (at the time, I didn't realize it also provided the latching mechanism), and I was told that they felt Epic was special; they wanted to make it visibly different and give it a more dominant feel. Interesting that now they have Scarlets of different sizes. Good to know, though, thanks.
 
Thanks for all the info on S35 and FF35.

I take it to shot anamorphic you need anamorphic lenses, or is this something can now be done electronically? bulk is certainly an issue, as I lug my gear up volcanos and into the jungles of Africa. But somehow I think we are talking a pound or two. With matters, but will make me stronger.

Has it been mentioned if we will have the option to select what codec we want. Although long term plans with the camera is to do live action stuff with it, my immediate need it's difficult to use a higher bit rate codec. Can we select Redcode 42 from an S35 brain or FF25 brain? May seem like a crazy thing, but when factoring in transfer times and storage in the field with limited power or often no power for several days. I have to lug everything myself, and often camping gear too.

I'm keen to know more about the electronic lenses but suspect they'll be too heavy. Anyway, I'll be excited when all the details are announced.
 
In spite of many readings on this nice forum, I´ve this same questions and thoughts:

1. Will I´ve to wait until 2010 for a Scarlet in Europe?
2. Meanwhile, I need to do photograph work and I´ve no camera. Should I buy a Nikon D700 for pure stills work and after that I´ll be able to use my Full Frame lenses with a Scarlet? I know it´s possble, but do I really need two cameras after RED´s release?
Even because I don´t know if as a stills camera, Scarlet will have the same functions as the example I´ve pointed - Nikon D700.
3. Somebody at this forum is waiting for a RED (what else ,-) and bought a Nikon system meanwhile. Could you share a bit more about your system?

Waiting for the end of this month...
Thanks very much for your help.
L.
 
1. Wait till the end of the month release schedule announcement.

2. I think only you can make that decision for yourself as to what tools you do/do not need. We'll know more as things draw more near. But, ultimately until you get the camera in your hands, you can't know 100% if it will meet all of the needs you need it to for YOU or not.

Later,
Jason
 
Steven Hilder said:
Gavin's correct, renders of the FF35 Scarlet show that it'll be the same width as the Epics. I certainly don't see it as a 'con' though, it's a significantly bigger sensor and I'm sure warrants the larger enclosure.
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It's also one more rib deep (like the epic.) I'm more concerned about depth than width. The width is understandable since the sensor is a bit wider. Hehe, well I guess the depth is also understandable since it's 44% more pixels to process so I should be thankful it isn't 50% larger, but I'm optimistic.

Here is another way to look at FF35 vs S35. If you shoot FF35 and have an extra stop of Dynamic Range but then stop down one stop you get additional resolution and the same dynamic range as MysteriumX. And the difference in glass price could be noticeable since it doesn't have to be quite as fast if you intend to stop down anyway to be similar to S35.

Do any of the DPs out there know how much you would need to stop down to get a comparable depth of field?

Also I'm not certain you're right about the reduced resolution. I thought that before but looking at sensor sizes.

30mm = 5k (S35)
36mm = 6k (FF35)

30/5 = 6mm per k

30 + 6 = 36mm ~= 5k + 1k = 6k.

If you shoot cropped S35 shouldn't it be 5k as well?

Not a big deal for me. I anticipate 99% of my deliverables will be 1080p/2k. In which case 4k or 6k is more than enough. When I would really want the extra resolution is for Stock photography, background plates, fx plates and green screen. Almost all of which would probably benefit from the FF35 sensor.

That all being said *Jedi Handwave* You alllll initially want to buy the S35 so that the ff35 line is short.
 
Häakon said:
Shooting anamorphic is really the only reason I can see to really lust after a FF35 camera
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I can think of another very good reason. I use FF 35mm stills lenses exclusively on my three RED One cameras. There are a lot of people who own kits of high quality FF 35mm stills lenses, who have traditionally worked in both motion media and stills work, want to maximize their FF stills lens potential, and who intend to work in both those industries with the new FF35 cameras, both Epic and Scarlet. I'm one of those...

I'll buy a few fixed lens Scarlets (run n' gun, guerilla 2nd unit, etc), a FF35 DSMC Scarlet (my motion/stills combo camera), an Epic X (can't pass up that great trade-in offer!), and a FF35 Epic (my flagship camera). Once the new RED Electronic Lenses are available, which will also cover FF35, I'll probably sell off most of my other FF35 stills lenses (except my super-long focal length lenses), and almost exclusively use the RE Lenses.

Its a big motion media industry beyond narrative cinema, and a lot of people with a broad diversity of needs. That's the beauty for this modular system - its flexibility and utility.

Fun times ahead...:sifone:
 
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