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  • Hey all, just changed over the backend after 15 years I figured time to give it a bit of an update, its probably gonna be a bit weird for most of you and i am sure there is a few bugs to work out but it should kinda work the same as before... hopefully :)

I am going to return my copy of DaVinci to B&H as it is now worthless

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I would hang on the dongle and have the full version myself. It's not like Blackmagic Design is going to stop developing the software. You don't know what farther differentiations will be added to the next version, and you don't know what type of jobs you might get in the future. With the dongle, you're set.

Michael
 
jake blackstone said:
The Antidumping Act of 1916 is designed to stop the practice of pricing imports at a price substantially less than the actual market value.
Resolve is "made" abroad, so the law applies. Unfortunately, presently there is no US maker of color grading software:-)
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There is an argument to be made that some people buy After Effects for this purpose. Adobe is in US.

To others: there is such a thing as respectful competition. I don't try to run my competitors out of business or destroy our segment of the industry when I bid on jobs. I don't even badmouth my competitors.
 
Rob Ruffo said:
There is an argument to be made that some people buy After Effects for this purpose. Adobe is in US.

To others: there is such a thing as respectful competition. I don't try to run my competitors out of business or destroy our segment of the industry when I bid on jobs. I don't even badmouth my competitors.
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Adobe had never made a professional color grading software, AE included. People grading in AE needs their heads examined.
 
jake blackstone said:
Adobe had never made a professional color grading software, AE included. People grading in AE needs their heads examined.
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masochists really love doing it jake.
 
Martin Weiss said:
Are comments like that really necessary? What do they add to the conversation?
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Because at any moments now people will start arguing, that they grade in AE. It happens every time. If you think this is an inappropriate comment, feel free to dele it.
 
jake blackstone said:
Adobe had never made a professional color grading software, AE included. People grading in AE needs their heads examined.
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I will put it another way. What Jake speaks of is probably the way that After effects works with individual layers and if you picture a project with hundreds of shots, it could get a bit unruly. As to what you can do in AE with color grading, it has a lot of tools. But it's not a realtime grading app, and it's kind of clunky in that regard. So all in all, you use it if it's all you have or if you work a lot in AE anyway and it's a natural environment to do your color.

Did I get that right Jake?
 
Steve Sherrick said:
I will put it another way. What Jake speaks of is probably the way that After effects works with individual layers and if you picture a project with hundreds of shots, it could get a bit unruly. As to what you can do in AE with color grading, it has a lot of tools. But it's not a realtime grading app, and it's kind of clunky in that regard. So all in all, you use it if it's all you have or if you work a lot in AE anyway and it's a natural environment to do your color.

Did I get that right Jake?
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Exactly. Thanks Steve for the great explanation, as usual.
I always advocate using correct tools for a given job and I strongly oppose creation of rube goldberg post solutions.
 
Grading tools can be useful in AE - like for example when you are trying to match many layers composited together.
 
Rob Ruffo said:
Grading tools can be useful in AE - like for example when you are trying to match many layers composited together.
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Hahaha. Didn't I say this will happen?:-))))
Just to be able to nudge a shot, doesn't make it into a grading software.
My original point was in reference to the absence of professional grading software manufacturer in US.
 
Martin Weiss said:
Are comments like that really necessary? What do they add to the conversation?
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Given the context of this entire thread, I think it's fitting... I also happen to agree with Jake 110%
 
jake blackstone said:
Hahaha. Didn't I say this will happen?:-))))
Just to be able to nudge a shot, doesn't make it into a grading software.
My original point was in reference to the absence of professional grading software manufacturer in US.
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OK, I would not use After Effects as a primary grader either, but you could still probably get away with that claim in court.
 
Rob.
I really see where you coming from. It sucks, no question about it. You can clearly see my postings on the subject from the time the original free version came out.
Said that, I really do not see how you or anyone else would prevail in court. I'm not playing devil's advocate, just questioning the wisdom. Resolve does everything BM promised. And release of the free version hasn't changed this. There are no bases for return of the money, as much as it seems to be unfair. B&H has very liberal return policy and if anyone would let you return recently purchased product, they would. If not, you should keep it, because, I can't imagine BM maintaining such a narrow difference between free and paid versions. Well, at least I hope so...
I'm keeping mine because of just one feature- remote grading. Believe it or not, remote grading now constitutes more than half of my income. All of a sudden, now I can work around the world, in real time, in full resolution. No other software allows you to do that. So, as far as I'm concerned, full Resolve definitely worth the price difference. But, if you have no need for such feature, then that's a different story...
 
remember resolve Linux is still $19,000.
 
Two things to consider:

1. BM is a hardware company. Software is the car that pulls the trailer of their hardware products. Normally they let third parties pull that trailer, with Resolve they have their own car. But the third parties are still generating more than 98% of the business.

2. Colour correction as a single process in a film finishing workflow is in many markets a diminishing task. In the lower parts of the industry people prefer to buy additional CC plugins for FCP over using Colour that comes free with FCP. Why? Because it takes quite an amount of time to learn and use dedicated CC software with all the tedious roundtripping/conforming issues. The better results are not worth the effort - in that particular market. This market has by far the biggest share in the industry.

In the higher end parts of the industry colour correction accomplished in the telecine process is now a very rare experience thanks to the digital revolution. CC is done elsewhere down the pipeline. Again, roundtripping/conforming, and even worse re-conforming, are time stealing obstacles no one likes. The natural development heads towards the NLE that incorporates all a colourist needs.

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Meryem Ersoz said:
This entire industry is in a big deflationary spiral which has reduced many costs to entry on many new technologies - I'm just a little puzzled why you're focused on BMD, Rob - I mean, everything is getting cheaper - look what FCP-X did to the cost of entering Avid MC or Premiere.

Price wars are all around us, and everyone gets bit periodically by adopting earlier, rather than later.

Money is made by the impatient, who buy early and make their money back. But the patient ones, who are watching and waiting for their price points, are being rewarded with the savings. You just have to decide your approach to the systemic fluctuations in this marketplace.
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Good Post!

As a longtime SpeedGraded user I switched to Smoke on Mac the day it came out. Not because SpeedGrade was not good at CC - on the contrary. I switched because I saw the huge benefits I would gain once I got through that steep learning curve (wasn't that steep, actually). Smoke is not cheap, so is the RedOne with lenses, etc... and so is of course Epic. For my kind of work I gain a lot when I invest early in emerging technologies.

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In 2-3 years the big A's will have upgraded their NLEs with professional colour tools. BM knows that. They know that Resolve is bound to die in a foreseeable future. Until then Resolve for free will sell more hardware than selling software for 1000 USD. I think it's that easy.



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