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HP 820 Tower - RED EDITION

Brook:

Loved the 2010 article, especially the racing car analogy. Write the next one; its time.

Brook Willard said:
I wrote this article back in 2010. About A week later I received an email from an HP representative who wanted to talk with me about my needs and how they could fill them. I shrugged it off at the time and thanked the rep, telling her that the only thing keeping me from pursuing it further was Windows.

Even though I brushed it off, I was silently impressed. HP was certainly listening.

I believe that Apple is listening too. I have no doubt that plenty of high-ranking Apple folk read my half-coherent rant. Apple may be listening but I'm not convinced that they're actually hearing us. I didn't receive an unsolicited email from Apple after writing that post. Frankly I've never received a response to any inquiry I've made to Apple's professional team.

It's a shame.

I seem to have a penchant for writing thoughts with good intentions that are received poorly. I'm sure I made no friends at Apple by writing what I wrote. Yet that post generated 1,000x the traffic of anything else I've ever written and was cited in more than 100 different articles across the internet. That's what happens when companies clam up and abandon their closest followers.

About a year ago I wrote a followup to that article which I never posted. I may dust it off and finish it.

Why not? It can't make them any more distant than they are already.

And I bet I'll get another email from an HP rep.
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Hey Jared,

Can you give us a little news on dragon. I feel like we never talk anymore...
 
I'll wait and see what the new Mac Pro in 2013 will be. Personally, I'm not convinced yet that Apple has given up the pros.
And for those who berate FCP X: it's immature, but it got a lot better the past year. There are things in that program that no other NLE can match.
Yes it has to mature. But I think it will.
 
If you wait for Apple, what do you hope to gain from this? Do you think their hardware will surpass what you will be able to build in a PC at the time? Very doubtful, especially for specific tasks like 4K editing.

If you are somehow under the impression that PCs "get viruses and crash all the time", I can assure you, this is false. I have been using an i7 machine I've had since April 2010 and I have never had a single crash, blue screen, or virus.... EVER. Plus I have swapped out nVidia cards three times, added all kinds of drives and swapped out RAM twice, building the rig just how I needed it for editing.
 
Tom Lowe said:
If you wait for Apple, what do you hope to gain from this? Do you think their hardware will surpass what you will be able to build in a PC at the time? Very doubtful, especially for specific tasks like 4K editing.

If you are somehow under the impression that PCs "get viruses and crash all the time", I can assure you, this is false. I have been using an i7 machine I've had since April 2010 and I have never had a single crash, blue screen, or virus.... EVER. Plus I have swapped out nVidia cards three times, added all kinds of drives and swapped out RAM twice, building the rig just how I needed it for editing.
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Good point Tom. I think the Video card "freedom" alone is worth contemplation. Every new Apple tower that comes out usually offers already expired graphics card from the PC world, SLI isn't even a consideration, and your usually stuck with 1 card with 1 additional option. As these GPUs get incredibly powerful and software starts to maximize this power it starts to become incredibly important to have that slot freedom.
 
BTW, Jarred, have you had a chance to mess around with the Fusion FX cards? I'm gonna try a couple of these in my Origin PC. http://www.fusionio.com/platforms/iofx/

By putting in two cards (PCI express 2.0) this will give me 840GB of storage I can access at 2.8 GB/s! That's enough space for most editing jobs I do. Should be interesting to see how well this works.
 
Tom Lowe said:
BTW, Jarred, have you had a chance to mess around with the Fusion FX cards? I'm gonna try a couple of these in my Origin PC. http://www.fusionio.com/platforms/iofx/

By putting in two cards (PCI express 2.0) this will give me 840GB of storage I can access at 2.8 GB/s! That's enough space for most editing jobs I do. Should be interesting to see how well this works.
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Tom,
We were thinking the same thing when we saw them at NAB. I'd love to know your feeling on it if you manage to get em.
 
Hopefully I will have them next week. We'll see.
 
havnt gotten them yet.. still waiting for them to come in.
 
1 word.

prores.

it's pretty much the #1 reason macs for post and on set dailies are still the go to machine. once that is no longer needed, or there is a quality easy way to write pro res on windows side I'm building myself a super rig...
 
Read Jeff's posts. Apple and Intel will converge in 2013 with 22nm Zeon.

Adobe has moved forward on the Mac/PC front if you are willing go to the Creative Cloud and "rent" instead of "buy". You can download all of the Master Suite programs in either platform. That way you aren't making a permanent choice per seat. You just can't run both OS' at the same time on the same network. See Adobe quote:

"You can install the desktop applications available in Creative Cloud on your primary computer and one backup computer, as long as they are not running at the same time. You will have access to both the Mac OS and Windows versions, so if you have a Mac at home and a PC at work, for instance, you can install your applications on both. See the product license agreements page for more information."
 
Tom Lowe said:
If you wait for Apple, what do you hope to gain from this? Do you think their hardware will surpass what you will be able to build in a PC at the time? Very doubtful, especially for specific tasks like 4K editing.

If you are somehow under the impression that PCs "get viruses and crash all the time", I can assure you, this is false. I have been using an i7 machine I've had since April 2010 and I have never had a single crash, blue screen, or virus.... EVER. Plus I have swapped out nVidia cards three times, added all kinds of drives and swapped out RAM twice, building the rig just how I needed it for editing.
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I agree with you Tom and have been there done that. But a lot of us dont want to deal with Windows period.
Im pretty sure its not an Apple Fan Boy thing since I know I am one but live half my day (sometimes more) on Windows XP and 7.
Some of us can live with the slower but stable system. Yes stable, trust me I have a few Dell T5500 and a BOXX 8400s that tends to act up anytime they want.
My experience with both sides is extensive and still lean towards the cheese graters ;)
 
Jarred Land said:
Good point Tom. I think the Video card "freedom" alone is worth contemplation. Every new Apple tower that comes out usually offers already expired graphics card from the PC world, SLI isn't even a consideration, and your usually stuck with 1 card with 1 additional option. As these GPUs get incredibly powerful and software starts to maximize this power it starts to become incredibly important to have that slot freedom.
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However, it's the fact it doesn't support a thousand cards and peripherals and lots of costum parts that makes apples so stable both software and hardware wise. By sticking to a few proven options apple guarantees performance and stability. Maybe things do have changed and everything is much better on the PC world now, but my previous windows "stability hell" still sticks with a very sour taste in my mouth, and don't want to go through this again. Apple has never disappointed me in this regard.
 
Eric Santiago said:
I agree with you Tom and have been there done that. But a lot of us dont want to deal with Windows period.
Im pretty sure its not an Apple Fan Boy thing since I know I am one but live half my day (sometimes more) on Windows XP and 7.
Some of us can live with the slower but stable system. Yes stable, trust me I have a few Dell T5500 and a BOXX 8400s that tends to act up anytime they want.
My experience with both sides is extensive and still lean towards the cheese graters ;)
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I hear you. But I have to be pragmatic on the matter, so I'm thinking I'll pick up a specialized PC and alongside that run a mac mini - through a switch so that one of my monitors can be flipped over to the mac. PC will only be connected to internet when necessary; all admin stuff and recreation on the mini.
 
Sergio Perez said:
However, it's the fact it doesn't support a thousand cards and peripherals and lots of costum parts that makes apples so stable both software and hardware wise. By sticking to a few proven options apple guarantees performance and stability. Maybe things do have changed and everything is much better on the PC world now, but my previous windows "stability hell" still sticks with a very sour taste in my mouth, and don't want to go through this again. Apple has never disappointed me in this regard.
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This is precisely why I'm only contemplating the PC now... because RED is offering us a select subset of that confusing PC jungle.
'Built for RED' stickered or something.
If there's a group of trusted like minds testing out the equipment, then as a community we can gravitate towards the more stable and appropriate gear, right? The trustworthiness of Apple options, but tailored to 4K needs.
 
Paul S. said:
This is precisely why I'm only contemplating the PC now... because RED is offering us a select subset of that confusing PC jungle.
'Built for RED' stickered or something.
If there's a group of trusted like minds testing out the equipment, then as a community we can gravitate towards the more stable and appropriate gear, right? The trustworthiness of Apple options, but tailored to 4K needs.
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That's a good point. Red wouldn't put their name in "any" computer, I think. Being Jarred a former Apple user, I'm sure he would bail out the moment this thing started crashing... Completely forgot that side of things, the Red seal of approval perspective...
 
Brook Willard said:
About a year ago I wrote a followup to that article which I never posted. I may dust it off and finish it.

Why not? It can't make them any more distant than they are already.

And I bet I'll get another email from an HP rep.
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go for it!... we need machine that create content! and this market needs debate and interogation...

thanks

M
 
I love it that RED isn't waiting around for any 3rd party to innovate for them.

I hate it that Apple seems to have given up innovating on behalf of the high end video professional...truly, Apple, it destroys me to see a company which I have supported through all of my adult life, including through those lean Sculley years, dropping the ball like this.

I would like to see RED upgrade the Rocket, however. It, too, is long in the tooth and many of us would like a next gen release suitable to our next gen cameras.
 
Tom Lowe said:
BTW, Jarred, have you had a chance to mess around with the Fusion FX cards? I'm gonna try a couple of these in my Origin PC. http://www.fusionio.com/platforms/iofx/

By putting in two cards (PCI express 2.0) this will give me 840GB of storage I can access at 2.8 GB/s! That's enough space for most editing jobs I do. Should be interesting to see how well this works.
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The ioFX is an excellent place to keep your R3D files as well as any fully uncompressed files that you might want to transcode from the R3D for compositing etc..
 
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