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  • Hey all, just changed over the backend after 15 years I figured time to give it a bit of an update, its probably gonna be a bit weird for most of you and i am sure there is a few bugs to work out but it should kinda work the same as before... hopefully :)

Forged Weapon

Jarred do you have anymore updates for us? Would love to see what Element Technica has been cooking up in terms of side handle.
 
What if we have a 6K Weapon on order and don't want the forged carbon fiber body? Can we get the woven instead?

M
 
Mark Pedersen said:
What if we have a 6K Weapon on order and don't want the forged carbon fiber body? Can we get the woven instead?

M
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Unless you explicitly ordered a Forged Carbon Weapon (or Jarred wants to surprise you with his alchemist genius ways) you'll be getting a Woven Carbon Fiber Weapon.
 
Jarred Land said:
Another Forged Carbon Weapon fresh out of the oven. Looks like we are going to be making alot more of of these in both 6k and 8k than I imagined... So much so that the first W6k shipments in July likely will all be Forged. Pretty incredible considering it is an unlisted camera that you need to actually arm wrestle your sales rep to order :)



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I'll Have a 8k Forged Carbon please. :)
SUPER LIGHT ! SUPER POWERFUL ! ...

400FPS 4k would be a nice touch.
 
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Mark Toia said:
I'll Have a 8k Forged Carbon please. :)
SUPER LIGHT ! SUPER POWERFUL ! ...

400FPS 4k would be a nice touch.
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Same as slow motion has become so prevalent in today's commercial production.

I have daydreamed a bit on how to execute this within the RED ecosystem.

I think a "burst mode" with limited record time one day for such high FPS would be nice and easier to execute, then write that to card.

It would take a few advancements. Hardware on the brain upgrade (insane speedy RAM buffer), some pipes/boards, and likely a sensor upgrade would be needed. As well as the coding to handle the burst mode.

For me what would be useful is essentially a 200%-250% FPS boost for burst, which would be 8K FF at 120fps-150fps on the top tier Weapon 8K. A 15 to 30 second buffer would likely satisfy most special applications. That should give Mark about 400fps for 15-30 seconds as well. At speed, that would be an impressively long clip.

That would need to be an insanely fast 1 to 2 TB buffer in there. Doable, but it would cost moolah.
 
Phil Holland said:
Same as slow motion has become so prevalent in today's commercial production.

I have daydreamed a bit on how to execute this within the RED ecosystem.

I think a "burst mode" with limited record time one day for such high FPS would be nice and easier to execute, then write that to card.

It would take a few advancements. Hardware on the brain upgrade (insane speedy RAM buffer), some pipes/boards, and likely a sensor upgrade would be needed. As well as the coding to handle the burst mode.

For me what would be useful is essentially a 200%-250% FPS boost for burst, which would be 8K FF at 120fps-150fps on the top tier Weapon 8K. A 15 to 30 second buffer would likely satisfy most special applications. That should give Mark about 400fps for 15-30 seconds as well. At speed, that would be an impressively long clip.

That would need to be an insanely fast 1 to 2 TB buffer in there. Doable, but it would cost moolah.
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A phrase from NIKE's handbook.... JUST DO IT !
 
Blair S. Paulsen said:
AFAIK the Dragon sensor tech, in either the 6K or 8K cut, has a fixed read/reset ceiling. If true, no turbo electronics/buffer/storage on the back side of the sensor will matter...
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Phil Holland said:
and likely a sensor upgrade would be needed.
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Correct. Which is why it's going to cost $moolah because of all of the things necessary to make that happen.
 
Phil Holland said:
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For me what would be useful is essentially a 200%-250% FPS boost for burst, which would be 8K FF at 120fps-150fps on the top tier Weapon 8K. A 15 to 30 second buffer would likely satisfy most special applications. That should give Mark about 400fps for 15-30 seconds as well. At speed, that would be an impressively long clip.

That would need to be an insanely fast 1 to 2 TB buffer in there. Doable, but it would cost moolah.
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Let's do some math...

We know that 4K @ 100fps REDCODE 8:1 = 170MB/sec

We can infer that 8K @ 400fps REDCODE 8:1 = 2720MB/sec = 2.720GB/sec = 21.76Gb/sec

AMD's stacked ram clocks in at 128Gb/sec (http://ieeexplore.ieee.org/xpl/articleDetails.jsp?arnumber=6757501) in 8Gb sticks, so if you save to RAM before REDCODE compression, a 30 second clip would need 653GB (2.72GB/sec * 30 sec * 8:1 compression). Stacked 8 high, you'd need 82 stacks, which is approximately a cube of 3x3x3 8-high units. That probably doesn't fit inside the Weapon profile.

But if you had a 100Gbase fiber port...it would make one heckuva leash...
 
I really like the look of that forged weapon and I know I'm not the only one but what's the real weight difference with the CF one?
Any other benefit than weight? I don't want to start hassling my rep for nothing ;)
 
vincent kardasik said:
I really like the look of that forged weapon and I know I'm not the only one but what's the real weight difference with the CF one?
Any other benefit than weight? I don't want to start hassling my rep for nothing ;)
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I believe the weight is the same. My rep told me it adds $10,000 but puts you at the top of the shipping list. I think that's really what justifies the price. Someone correct me if I'm wrong.
 
Jeffrey M said:
I believe the weight is the same. My rep told me it adds $10,000 but puts you at the top of the shipping list. I think that's really what justifies the price. Someone correct me if I'm wrong.
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Thanks for the reply Jeffrey.
 
Jeffrey M said:
I believe the weight is the same. My rep told me it adds $10,000 but puts you at the top of the shipping list. I think that's really what justifies the price. Someone correct me if I'm wrong.
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The strength of the Forged carbon is significantly higher as well. People that are googling forged composites and ending up looking at Lamborghini parts are looking at the wrong thing.

We are starting with a a forged block of Carbon "Billet" made of random slices of fibers and we machine down each piece down to the final product, instead of just laying up carbon fiber in a mold like traditional carbon is made. The strength comes from our Forged Carbon being 3 dimensional instead of just 2 dimensional like the traditional layers of carbon fabric laid on top of each other . That process is insanely expensive to do and takes much much longer for every piece which is why it explains the price. Hope that helps.
 
Jarred Land said:
The strength of the Forged carbon is significantly higher as well. People that are googling forged composites and ending up looking at Lamborghini parts are looking at the wrong thing.

We are starting with a a forged block of Carbon "Billet" made of random slices of fibers and we machine down each piece down to the final product, instead of just laying up carbon fiber in a mold like traditional carbon is made. The strength comes from our Forged Carbon being 3 dimensional instead of just 2 dimensional like the traditional layers of carbon fabric laid on top of each other . That process is insanely expensive to do and takes much much longer for every piece which is why it explains the price. Hope that helps.
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So Jarred, how about a 3-D printed case for the next release? You've now done about everything else. '-)
 
Jarred Land said:
The strength of the Forged carbon is significantly higher as well. People that are googling forged composites and ending up looking at Lamborghini parts are looking at the wrong thing.

We are starting with a a forged block of Carbon "Billet" made of random slices of fibers and we machine down each piece down to the final product, instead of just laying up carbon fiber in a mold like traditional carbon is made. The strength comes from our Forged Carbon being 3 dimensional instead of just 2 dimensional like the traditional layers of carbon fabric laid on top of each other . That process is insanely expensive to do and takes much much longer for every piece which is why it explains the price. Hope that helps.
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Thanks for these explanations Jarred.
Forged weapon seems like a totally different beast.
 
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