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  • Hey all, just changed over the backend after 15 years I figured time to give it a bit of an update, its probably gonna be a bit weird for most of you and i am sure there is a few bugs to work out but it should kinda work the same as before... hopefully :)

Focus....

enrique blein said:
My doubt arises from the fact that (correct me here if I am wrong) still lenses have a different approach to keeping a subject in focus as it moves than motion (regular video lenses) where the lens is programmed (or has different type of motors) to softly accomodate the focus as a subject, for example, approaches you.

I am not familiar with the Birger or Impero mounts.

Essentially my question is: if I get a Scarlet body (not fixed) and stick in a Canon lens (I understand the crop factor issues), will it work as smoothly as a Scarlet Fixed 8x when in Auto Focus Mode?
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The Scarlet fixed lens was designed for motion, so it should be better by design.
 
enrique blein said:
if I get a Scarlet body (not fixed) and stick in a Canon lens (I understand the crop factor issues), will it work as smoothly as a Scarlet Fixed 8x when in Auto Focus Mode?
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I would say similar, but not as smoothly, since still lenses are not optimized for motion work. I.e. a Canon lens is more likely to exhibit breathing and might not hold the focus under zooming.

Jim has previously stated the the lens of the Scarlet 8x is worth the whole price alone.
 
Martin Weiss said:
On a Canon?

But it seems that the focus is racking from about 1.3m to about 2.25m and then goes straight back to 1.7m.

Is that a pre-programmed focus ramp? Really fast.
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not a preprogrammed ramp.. the lens was not focused on anything but pointed at a box, i put my hand in front of the lens ( closer than close focus ) momentarily then removed my hand while half pressing the AF button.
 
Jannard said:
Don't forget... we have a RED AF lens program. Our lenses are cinema grade with well controlled breathing. They also will cover FF35. 1st lens is the 24-75mm F2.8. There is a wide zoom and a long zoom to follow.

Focus is manual, one touch on the run-stop button, touchscreen or Pro REDmote. Single or continuous... and tracking. Also... rate control. The system is designed to work with Canon, Nikon and other programs, but will work best with RED lenses. No surprise.

Jim
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These focus features really make me happy!
 
enrique blein said:
My doubt arises from the fact that (correct me here if I am wrong) still lenses have a different approach to keeping a subject in focus as it moves than motion (regular video lenses) where the lens is programmed (or has different type of motors) to softly accomodate the focus as a subject, for example, approaches you.

I am not familiar with the Birger or Impero mounts.

Essentially my question is: if I get a Scarlet body (not fixed) and stick in a Canon lens (I understand the crop factor issues), will it work as smoothly as a Scarlet Fixed 8x when in Auto Focus Mode?
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Mirror reflex still cameras use an auto focus method that only works between still shots, when the mirror is down. It doesn't work in live view or video mode when the mirror is locked up.

Epic has no mirror reflex system so the auto focus has to work from sensor data. There is no difference in this respect between motion and still modes. It should work equally well for both.
 
This is pretty incredible stuff... it's still sinking in. I hope you guys can feel some of the excitement.. we are not done yet but man does it kick ass how far we have come in the last little while.
 
Jarred Land said:
not a preprogrammed ramp.. then lens was not focused on anything but pointed at a box, i put my hand in front of the lens ( closer than close focus ) momentarily then removed my hand while half pressing the AF button.
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I foresee a good proportion of sports photographers will run around with Epics in the near future. 8 frames per second compared to 100 frames a second will make a huge difference.

Any chance you can share the list of currently working Canon/Nikon lenses?

Any hint for the availability, weight and rough pricing of the RED AF lenses?
 
Each time you guys give us an update, it becomes clear just how complex your program is. From where I sit, this is going to propel the imaging industry forward by orders of magnitude. All cameras coming to market in the next few years are going to benefit from this drive to push the technology envelope. Very soon, if you want it in your camera, you'll get it-- and at a great price point.
 
Martin Weiss said:
I foresee a good proportion of sports photographers will run around with Epics in the near future. 8 frames per second compared to 100 frames a second will make a huge difference.

Any chance you can share the list of currently working Canon/Nikon lenses?

Any hint for the availability, weight and rough pricing of the RED AF lenses?
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We have programmed in all L-series Canon lenses except for the Tilt-Shifts and some of the big monster dogs above 400mm.. we add more daily as we get them.
 
Sanjin Jukic said:
AF is a great, very nice and attractive feature but for a cine work is pretty difficult to use

and also it's very hard to nail the focus in some of shooting situations especially at available light and low light

because camera with AF switched on is getting dizzy to choose the right light source in those situations even with the "selected focus points switched on".

Wide open has pretty tiny DOF and then camera and the lens both getting confused to nail the exact focus point in AF mode especially when a light source is changing fast.

Then MF works the best.

For example I shot yesterday one event on the beach and in some of the situations was difficult to nail the focus with AF

and then I was switching to MF and to get the shots in focus but it was too late to get originals that actually I wanted to have them in focus.
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This is the exact problem I have with AF either on DSL or video cams! Especially when the background is so full of info like the rocks behind the face, or the stapled chairs....the AF in lower light tends to search those "busy" points and I have to remember to lock AF or go manual.....and what to do when using a steadycam? here only small aperture/wideDOF can save you.

So if the AF can be controlled and doesnt pump I buy one Scarlet today !
 
Martin Weiss said:
That is my understanding — except that on a handycam you can only use the autofocus to set the initial focal point (unless you like the focus pumping feature of modern handycams.)
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I didn't know handycams only focused the initial point (I don't own one, yet). So, do you think a Scarlet body with a Canon lens will maintain focus in AF as a Scarlet fixed...? I really wish to step out of the Scarlet fixed 8x and get the Scarlet body in order to use other lenses, but in my line of work, many times I will need the AF (i.e.:no assistant, in the middle of very turbulent shooting in folkloric festivities in South America), and regular cameras as an EX3 perform well in AF.
 
Jarred Land said:
This is pretty incredible stuff... it's still sinking in. I hope you guys can feel some of the excitement.. we are not done yet but man does it kick ass how far we have come in the last little while.
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It most certainly is! Thanks Jarred, we know you guys are burning the candle at both ends and catching flack for the delays but we all know its going to so worth watching you guys have the last laugh against all the haters!

Kudos and thanks for sharing the progress, cannot wait!
 
Jarred Land said:
This is pretty incredible stuff... it's still sinking in. I hope you guys can feel some of the excitement.. we are not done yet but man does it kick ass how far we have come in the last little while.
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He he, we are so filling it Jarred.. preparing Wire transfers to overload the Red Account :001_tt1::001_tt1:
 
Jarred Land said:
This is pretty incredible stuff... it's still sinking in. I hope you guys can feel some of the excitement.. we are not done yet but man does it kick ass how far we have come in the last little while.
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It is truly immense the scale of features that this camera is going to have! It hurts my head thinking about how it's possible in such a small form factor; when I held it at the Reducation visit last week it hurt my head even more! Naysayers and negative Nigels are going to be eating the sh!t that they've been talking about this great company and it's achievements!

Keep on rockin Team Red!

Tom
 
Jarred Land said:
We have programmed in all L-series Canon lenses except for the Tilt-Shifts and some of the big monster dogs above 400mm.. we add more daily as we get them.
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This sounds totally incredible.

Sorta a total slam-dunk conceptually!

A question comes to mind, is there a "default/generic" mode, in case one uses glass which is not in the database?

Or will a non-recognised lense go into manual?

Cheers!
 
Jarred Land said:
This is pretty incredible stuff... it's still sinking in. I hope you guys can feel some of the excitement.. we are not done yet but man does it kick ass how far we have come in the last little while.
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Indeed!

Pretty wild, trying to remember back only to the 27th of december 2006 (when reduser migrated from dvxuser)...

World has been changing, and a lot have been revolving around some fraudulent startup in California...
 
Jarred Land said:
We have programmed in all L-series Canon lenses except for the Tilt-Shifts and some of the big monster dogs above 400mm.. we add more daily as we get them.
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Fantastic! If at all possible, could you program the lower cost prime lenses as well? I'm thinking specifically the 50mm f1.8 and 85mm f1.8 primes.They're not L-series, but they sure do offer good bang for the buck.

Also, any word on programming Sigma, Tamron & Tokina lenses with Canon or Nikon mounts?
 
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