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First Look: Interchangeable OLPF on Dragon

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** EDIT ** - I've added a post summarizing my findings with all of the sample videos and images here:

http://www.reduser.net/forum/showthread.php?122074-First-Look-Interchangeable-OLPF-on-Dragon&p=1433752&viewfull=1#post1433752


Good evening everybody. I zipped down to Red today to take an early look at the new Interchangeable OLPF for Dragon.

For those who don't know exactly what an OLPF is, I'll write up a quick rundown here.

An OLPF (Optical Low Pass Filter) is an Anti-Aliasing filter that is positioned between the lens and sensor. Dragon is a very light sensitive, high resolution, and small pixel pitch CMOS Bayer Pattern Sensor. The inclusion of the OLPF is there to minimize or eliminate Aliasing, Color Moire, and False Color by removing the highest frequency detail and ever so slightly "softening" the image. Additionally, often OLPF design typically includes several other layers that provide an Anti-Reflective Coating, an Infrared Coating, and Infrared Absorbtion Glass. These additional coatings and layers depending on the OLPF design itself block light hitting the sensor to a degree.

Red has been working on an Interchangeable OLPF system that provides a flexible solution for users who desire certain things like better low light performance or better overall color performance. Everything here comes with a cost, which I'll explain in a second.

First up, let's talk about what you'll need to swap out the OLPF.


Swapping the OLPF: Recommended Tools



Here's a list of few things you'll want:
- A generally clean working area (a place where it's not very dusty filled with stray particles)
- T-20 Torx Driver (for the DSMC Lens Mount)
- T-6 Torx Driver (for the OLPF)
- Your desired OLPF
- A flashlight
- A hand blower

** Note that the new Sidewinder Multi-Tool has all of the necessary Torx Drivers for this procedure.


Swapping the OLPF: Procedure

Note that each OLPF Module is labelled with it's name on the front face of the OLPF Frame.

Here's pretty much the order of operations to swap out the OLPF:

- Power down the camera brain and bring it to a clean working area
- Gather all tools and the OLPF you desire to install/swap
- Using the T-20 Torx unistall your DSMC Lens Mount and place it to the side
- I recommend keeping the camera on a flat surface or level, meaning not tilted (to protect for loosened bolts entering the sensor box)
- Next, using the T-6 Torx Driver remove the currently installed OLPF - (Be mindful of the T-6 Torx Bolts, they are tiny)
- The OLPF will slightly pop out due to the rubber gasket, so it should be fairly simple to remove
- While the OLPF is removed inspect the sensor box for any stray particles
- If there are particles found use the hand blower to remove them - (The sensor itself is covered by transparent optical glass and protects it)
- Find the OLPF you want to install and inspect it with the flashlight as well, blow away any particles if any are present
- Insert the OLPF with the OLPF Name Text facing right side up if you are looking directly at the camera
- Clockwise from the upper-left insert each T-6 Torx Bolt and gently begin threading it - go all the way around
- Then tighten to "firm" each T-6 Bolt, do not over tighten, just a twist until secure
- Reattach the DSMC Lens Mount and in the same Clockwise pattern install and tight the T-20 Bolts.
- Power up the Dragon Brain and in Menu>Settings>Maintenance>OLPF select the OLPF you have just installed:




Boom you're done. Pretty straight forward. 8 bolts total. Took me about 2-3 minutes on my first attempt and I was taking my time inspecting things.


Some Thoughts on the OLPFs

First, if you haven't already, check out my notes here about the two currently available OLPFs:
http://www.reduser.net/forum/showthread.php?112230-the-New-Dragon-OLPF

I'm doing some "knee deep testing" this weekend, but it looks like everything is the way it appears in the examples found there in terms of the differences between the V1 and V2 OLPFs. Which we should now call by their proper names.

So here are my personal thoughts on all of these options.


Skin Tone - Highlight OLPF - Produces the highest quality image out of Dragon at the cost of approximately 1.3 stops of light across the calibration range, essentially causing more texture at higher ISO ratings. It produces the least artifacts, best possible color reproduction, best highlight retention, and best skin tones out of all of the OLPF options. You do not need IR protection using Neutral Density filters with the SKT OLPF.

Low Light Optimized OLPF - Better for low light shooting as it allows for about 1.3 stops more sensitivity across the calibration range compared to the Skin Tone - Highlight OLPF but can exhibit some artifacts. Mainly on clipped highlights, like a flashlight in frame, you can experience an "orb" floating around the source. Additionally the less agressive coatings on the LLO OLPF provide similar artifacts that are familiar to those who have worked with Mysterium-X before in the form of the smaller aperture hot highlight "red dot pattern". You do not need IR protection when using ND Filters and that's where it is different from Mysterium-X.

Dragon Standard OLPF - This is currently being developed, however, it's going to land in the middle between the SKT and LLO OLPFs in terms of sensitivity. You will likely also not need IR protection when using ND Filters with this particular OLPF.

IR Color OLPF - Produces Color IR images.

IR Monochrome OLPF - Produces Black and White IR images.

Underwater OLPF - Tuned to produce high quality color images for under sea shooting.

Monochrome OLPF - The Monochrome OLPF.


There's also a few more OLPF options that have been hinted at for more advanced styles of shooting or perhaps development of specific OLPFs for aesthetic choices. What's been talked about thus far is primarily and Optical Clear and the potential of a Low Contrast OLPF, which are both exciting to me.

Another possibility I can see is a Motion Mount Optimized OLPF that would basically be more or less an Optical Clear with a special arrangment of birefringent plates that essentially makes the camera more sensitive to light and the IR is blocked by the Motion Mount itself.


Time will tell where all of this goes and develops, but there's a lot of potential for customizing the camera for the way you want to shoot with it to get the desired image quality you're after.

For me personally, the STH OLPF will be on my Dragon the vast majority of the time. However, this weekend I'll be testing both available OLPFs pretty thoroughly.
 
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Your contributions to this forum are greatly appreciated Phil, thank you for all your hard work.
 
If you have time to test these in relation to MX also, that would be great. Thanks!
 
I believe I read that previously Bob, but Phil/Red can you please confirm if we still need to send in the cameras once to get this process possible? PS I like your air blowers, looks kind of like... a red rocket! Yes pun intended!
 
I believe I read that previously Bob, but Phil/Red can you please confirm if we still need to send in the cameras once to get this process possible? PS I like your air blowers, looks kind of like... a red rocket! Yes pun intended!


I know we don't have to send the cameras back to RED if you have the courage to do the upgrade yourself. I'm just curious if there is a different setup before whats shown here by Phil.
 
Hi Phil,

I sRED still on target, fro the installation of this adaptation, at end October, 2014?

Also, I didn't see any extra screws, in the kit...

Thank you very much

Fury
 
Great contribution Phil, as always. Do you have any news as when those additional OLPFs might become available?

Thanks
 
Thanks Phil.............Great Write up.


Sunil Prem
 
It's more of a stop shift than a stop loss.

Its not not like the sensor becomes less sensitive but by shifting to stops to favour the low end or the high end results in stop loss on either end of the scale.

with this OLPF system you are moving the middle grey curve up to favour highlights or down to favour curves.

Highlight - the sensor gets a light and color combo (filtered before it hits the sensor) that biases the curve toward highlight lattitude. Ill call all this Dragon lattitude because MX never had this.

Lowlight - the sensor gets a light and color combo (filtered before it hits the sensor) that biases the curve toward the shadows with a hard clip in the top (I'll call this MX style because that us more what it mimics.

The sensor itself doesn't change but the light it is fed does.

As as phil eloquently illustrates. There are many micron layers of coatings in an OLPF that need to be tested and tried and tested because as you move the parameters around it has a profound effect on image quality. So it's not as easy as saying "well, cut the nd in half, or cut the cyan in half as each change works in tandem with every other parameter. It's very different from "front of the lens filtration"

Ps: I know most people understand this but I am presenting it this way as a basic understanding of what is going on for those who might need a bit more clarity on this.

Battistella
 
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Thanks guys. Did some test shooting a bit. the Low Light Optimized OLPF is indeed the V1 and things haven't changed, which is good and what was expected. Cleaner higher ISO work essentially. Seems to work fine in RCX and all that.

Diving deeper into this tomorrow and doing some real side by sides.


Thanks Phil. My question is regarding the OLPF module kit. Is this something that needs to be installed first to make each subsequent module replaceable?

I sent my camera down to Red and had them perform the OLPF upgrade. I didn't do the DIY kit, but perhaps I should have :) After the update you will be good to go with the Interchangeable OLPF system.


I sRED still on target, fro the installation of this adaptation, at end October, 2014?

Also, I didn't see any extra screws, in the kit...

Sounds like things are very on track and it's all working from the shooters perspective. Luckily the OLPFs exist and it's just a matter of packaging them up and assembling each module. I'm getting an early look and didn't get the full kit or anything, just two modules to work with. I will grab the full kit at a later date once things are shipping officially.

I think it would be a good idea for Red to include some extra T-6 Torx Bolts, or at least offer them for a few bucks. They are tiny. I've already recommended that one and I'm sure they know.


Thanks Phil !
Also interrested on any info you might get on the DIY install OLPF kit vs sending the camera to RED for the upgrade...

Don't know much about the DIY kit just yet, but now that I've seen into the sensor box area I can imagine what it will take. For those comfortable working inside of there, I don't think it will be a big deal.


how about rear diffusion sets? (:

I'd say it's possible, but not likely as there's about 30 different ways I can think of in various strengths to diffuse to "taste". But, we'll see. Maybe the potential Low Contrast OLPF will have a bit of a glow to it.


Great contribution Phil, as always. Do you have any news as when those additional OLPFs might become available?

Additional ones and release dates? Nope. Only Red knows. I do know a while ago they were doing some pretty fancy underwater testing though and I think this might provide something for Bubble Blowers out there that could be amazing.


I'm holding back a couple of cameras for this system.
looking forward in seeing your back to back tests.

1.3 stop loss you say ... Mmm. Interesting.

It's a 1.3 stop variation across the calibration range. Which is why you get more texture at higher ISO ratings on the Skin Tone - Highlight OLPF and why the Low Light Optimized is cleaner up there.

It's been a while since I've shot on the Low Light Optimized OLPF, but just in the short time I've had it in my hands again I can see this making some of the lower light shooters out there happy.
 
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